Just discovered a very early electronic music composer, Stockhausen. Heres a youtube video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K0h0ApJAeSg&feature=related
I really dig the sounds.
Stockhausen
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Well.
Stockhausen should have gotten down on his hands and knees and licked the shit off the shoes of John Cage while Cage was still alive.
Instead, Stockhausen was a total douchebag. He couldn't stand Cage, and was known to criticise him during the (rare) interview. Think of him as the Trent Reznor of his day (though a fuck of a lot more talented than Trent, of course).
Cage was already reinventing music and practically Inventing the concept of 'Sound as Art' when fucking Stockhausen was still in short pants.
And, just like Reznor,Stockhausen could NOT get far enough up his own asshole.
An electronic pioneer? Ugg. Not even on my top 10 list. His greatest contribution by far was as a composer - and a theorist, I suppose. Constantly reinventing himself. Truly prolific.
Just sayin.
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Well.
Stockhausen should have gotten down on his hands and knees and licked the shit off the shoes of John Cage while Cage was still alive.
Instead, Stockhausen was a total douchebag. He couldn't stand Cage, and was known to criticise him during the (rare) interview. Think of him as the Trent Reznor of his day (though a fuck of a lot more talented than Trent, of course).
Cage was already reinventing music and practically Inventing the concept of 'Sound as Art' when fucking Stockhausen was still in short pants.
And, just like Reznor,Stockhausen could NOT get far enough up his own asshole.
An electronic pioneer? Ugg. Not even on my top 10 list. His greatest contribution by far was as a composer - and a theorist, I suppose. Constantly reinventing himself. Truly prolific.
Just sayin.
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I'm kind of on board with Mr.Rover on this one.
I must confess i haven't looked to deeply into the history of
Stockhausen, but it dos seem to me that he came into the whole style of music that most electronic music fans associate him with late. It also seems to me that he gained more notice simply by virtue of who he was already and that a lot of his ideas where de facto and cherry picked from other people.
The Trent Reznor comparison is spot on...
Thats not to say some of the music isn't very cool.
Just that it wasn't quite a special or original as a lot of people would like to believe it was and still is... it seems to me that quite often the name Stockhausen is worn as a badge and bandied around more as a way of alluding to some kind of depth that isn't really there on the part of the person bandying the name..
I must confess i haven't looked to deeply into the history of
Stockhausen, but it dos seem to me that he came into the whole style of music that most electronic music fans associate him with late. It also seems to me that he gained more notice simply by virtue of who he was already and that a lot of his ideas where de facto and cherry picked from other people.
The Trent Reznor comparison is spot on...
Thats not to say some of the music isn't very cool.
Just that it wasn't quite a special or original as a lot of people would like to believe it was and still is... it seems to me that quite often the name Stockhausen is worn as a badge and bandied around more as a way of alluding to some kind of depth that isn't really there on the part of the person bandying the name..
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Machinate wrote:i'm sorry but Stockhausen ownz Cage. Musique Concrete always sucked ass, much like Duchamp also knew he was a phony.
/troll.
lol.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MtSdBtJC42k&feature=related
Everyone should watch this 10 times. Then another 10 times. Then weep at the brilliance, lol. Panic. Panic. lol.
I had a professor who would rant endlessly about Stockhausen. This was a single theory class I took in college. Meh. He had a real hard on for the guy. That's how I first heard of Stockhausen and Cage. Anyway, he'd list example after example of how Cage would do something first, then 2/6/8 years later Stockhausen would do the same thing; and exclaim to the European music elite that HE had in fact been the first to do it. Only not the first to do it as compared to Cage. Oh no. The first to do it EVER. LOL. Live electronic music for instance. Ugg. Stockhausen used electronics in a live performance for the first time in the 1950s. I don't remember when exactly, or what the fucking piece was. You guys can look it up. Landmark achievement, right? Well, Cage had done it 20 years earlier in 1935 or something with a bunch of shit; including 2 turntables spinning recordings of test tones - which we would slow down and speed up as the comp called for... The first DJ, right there. Theremin performed electronic music live before Cage, of course, but then again Cage never ran around and claimed he was the first.
Hell, Cage was creating fucking 'found object' compositions about the time Stockhausen was discovering his first pubic hairs.
The cool thing about Cage was that he WAS cool. Total gentlemen. Great sense of humour. Humble as hell, by all accounts.
Look at this vid of Stockhausen:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pIPVc2Jvd0w&feature=related
Now watch Cage:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pcHnL7aS64Y&feature=related
Stockhausen. So completely, totally, and utterly German. To the core. Arrogant as a motherfucker. Entirely devoid of any kind of human emotion or feeling. Completely analytical. I LOVE that in my German architects (Mies!). In musicians (except Kraftwerk) it just sucks.
meh.
I guess there's two kinds of people in this world. Cage People and Stockhausen People. I would have given my left nut to spend an afternoon over coffee just listening to Cage talk. About anything, actually.
I can barely sit through a 10min YouTube clip of Stockhausen, let alone want to hear the Master prattle on about how he invented ambient recording, lol. Shit.
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http://www.furious.com/Perfect/stockhausen.html
http://www.furious.com/Perfect/stockhausen.html
that is really sad example how frustrated professor deprived you of your own opinion for life.landrvr1 wrote: I had a professor who would rant endlessly about Stockhausen. This was a single theory class I took in college. Meh. He had a real hard on for the guy. That's how I first heard of Stockhausen and Cage. Anyway, he'd list example after example of how Cage would do something first, then 2/6/8 years later Stockhausen would do the same thing; and exclaim to the European music elite that HE had in fact been the first to do it.
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reading your earlier post i wondered what is this fixation,obsessive fanaticism all about. Now, it is clearly not even you, maybe you actually like none of the 2 or both equally.
Fuck this shit. Cage was the true bell-end. Has anyone ever heard Cage ranting about how Glenn Branca's compositions are fascist? He completely misses the point.
"My feelings were disturbed ... I found in myself a willingness to connect the music with evil and with power. I don't want such a power in my life. If it was something political it would resemble fascism" (John Cage, 1982).
http://media.hyperreal.org/zines/est/in ... ranca.html
Not that Stockhausen hasn't had his moments. Anyone remember his description of 9/11 as 'the greatest work of art'.
Here is an interesting short article on this:
http://c250.columbia.edu/dkv/eseminars/ ... _02_2.html
"My feelings were disturbed ... I found in myself a willingness to connect the music with evil and with power. I don't want such a power in my life. If it was something political it would resemble fascism" (John Cage, 1982).
http://media.hyperreal.org/zines/est/in ... ranca.html
Not that Stockhausen hasn't had his moments. Anyone remember his description of 9/11 as 'the greatest work of art'.
Here is an interesting short article on this:
http://c250.columbia.edu/dkv/eseminars/ ... _02_2.html
rikhyray wrote:that is really sad example how frustrated professor deprived you of your own opinion for life.landrvr1 wrote: I had a professor who would rant endlessly about Stockhausen. This was a single theory class I took in college. Meh. He had a real hard on for the guy. That's how I first heard of Stockhausen and Cage. Anyway, he'd list example after example of how Cage would do something first, then 2/6/8 years later Stockhausen would do the same thing; and exclaim to the European music elite that HE had in fact been the first to do it.
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reading your earlier post i wondered what is this fixation,obsessive fanaticism all about. Now, it is clearly not even you, maybe you actually like none of the 2 or both equally.
I hated the professor, and didn't give a shit at the time about what he thought of Stockhausen or Cage. It wasn't until later, when I started to explore both composers on my own, that I remembered his ranting - and couldn't have agreed more.
Then again, maybe I WAS brainwashed!
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wow - looks like we hit a nerve! 
its interesting that cage and stockhausen are still compared to eachother so often. maybe in 1955 they were seen as 2 contrasting schools of composition. but now theyre 2 dead guys who both wrote alot (alot alot) of really good music.
landrvr1, im curious; who would be in your top 10 composers (or electronic pioneers / electroacoustic..)?
its interesting that cage and stockhausen are still compared to eachother so often. maybe in 1955 they were seen as 2 contrasting schools of composition. but now theyre 2 dead guys who both wrote alot (alot alot) of really good music.
landrvr1, im curious; who would be in your top 10 composers (or electronic pioneers / electroacoustic..)?
duluxdog wrote:Fuck this shit. Cage was the true bell-end. Has anyone ever heard Cage ranting about how Glenn Branca's compositions are fascist? He completely misses the point.
"My feelings were disturbed ... I found in myself a willingness to connect the music with evil and with power. I don't want such a power in my life. If it was something political it would resemble fascism" (John Cage, 1982).
http://media.hyperreal.org/zines/est/in ... ranca.html
Not that Stockhausen hasn't had his moments. Anyone remember his description of 9/11 as 'the greatest work of art'.
Here is an interesting short article on this:
http://c250.columbia.edu/dkv/eseminars/ ... _02_2.html
Ahh, the famous quote. *sigh*
You totally miss the point about what Cage is saying. Rather, Mertens missed the point. Cage was responding to the relentless rigour and.....Meh. I don't have time to educate. There's forum after forum where people a lot more educated about modern composition than myself have made the argument.
The great thing about Cage's comments was that the press seized upon them as shocking and controversial, but author after author - in the same article - would then go on to agree with Cage.
Priceless.
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swishniak wrote:wow - looks like we hit a nerve!
its interesting that cage and stockhausen are still compared to eachother so often. maybe in 1955 they were seen as 2 contrasting schools of composition. but now theyre 2 dead guys who both wrote alot (alot alot) of really good music.
landrvr1, im curious; who would be in your top 10 composers (or electronic pioneers / electroacoustic..)?
Haha. I guess so!
I'll exhibit a smidge of humility and recognize that Stockhausen would be in my top 10 list of electronic composers.
But an electronic pioneer? Someone that was constantly experimenting with what tape machines and - later - synthesizers could do? No way. Not even close. By all accounts he hated fiddling with those 'new contraptions called synthesizers' and would insist that others do his patchwork for him. Synths were a means to an end for him. He simply couldn't be bothered. He often referred to synths as pop music machines. And that's my point really.... Stockhausen's enormous contribution to modern music comes as a composer, not as an electronic musician or synth pioneer. To say that Live wouldn't have been created without Stockhausen is silly.
Oh, and here's another example of the perpetuated Myth of Stockhausen. Bjork is interviewing him, and says this in her opening statement:
http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco6/Bjork/bjorkfr.html
He was the first person to make electronic music before synthesizers were even invented.
Bjork, I love you, but you're retarded.
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