if it's not on time.... it's a sync issue... period...landrvr1 wrote:Same problem here on my Prophet 08. Often the first note will be missed altogether, and I have to give it 2 or 3 tries in order to capture. My timing is pretty good, and the quantize should pick up the fraction of a second slack but.....
And I don't know that this is a sync issue per se. I've had no sync problems whatsoever; after numerous test. My MIDI setup is fairly straightforward and simple, however. No, I think this is something different. A pure trigger/signal issue. Which I guess could be sync.
I've played with the latency (I'm using External Instrument, BTW), but that doesn't help at all. I'm getting virtually no latency between hitting the Prophet key and hearing the sound through Ableton.
I need to do a straight MIDI test where I'm not running through External Instrument. Is everyone using EI?
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for those who use external synths with ableton............
I hear what you are saying, but the note isn't being registered at all. And why would the next set of 1/8th or 1/6th notes be perfect? I've read a lot about the overall sync problem with Live, but this is the first I've read someone comment about the first note. Are there other threads just about that?3dot... wrote:if it's not on time.... it's a sync issue... period...landrvr1 wrote:Same problem here on my Prophet 08. Often the first note will be missed altogether, and I have to give it 2 or 3 tries in order to capture. My timing is pretty good, and the quantize should pick up the fraction of a second slack but.....
And I don't know that this is a sync issue per se. I've had no sync problems whatsoever; after numerous test. My MIDI setup is fairly straightforward and simple, however. No, I think this is something different. A pure trigger/signal issue. Which I guess could be sync.
I've played with the latency (I'm using External Instrument, BTW), but that doesn't help at all. I'm getting virtually no latency between hitting the Prophet key and hearing the sound through Ableton.
I need to do a straight MIDI test where I'm not running through External Instrument. Is everyone using EI?
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it takes time for the synth to get its sound engine up and running and react to midi notes, missing the first note or three. it's not Live, it's hardware.
in similar threads about "Live doesn't record notes" people always advise to record for a few measures and discard the beginning.
in similar threads about "Live doesn't record notes" people always advise to record for a few measures and discard the beginning.
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you got to be kidding....Tone Deft wrote:it takes time for the synth to get its sound engine up and running and react to midi notes, missing the first note or three. it's not Live, it's hardware.
in similar threads about "Live doesn't record notes" people always advise to record for a few measures and discard the beginning.
3dot... wrote:you got to be kidding....Tone Deft wrote:it takes time for the synth to get its sound engine up and running and react to midi notes, missing the first note or three. it's not Live, it's hardware.
in similar threads about "Live doesn't record notes" people always advise to record for a few measures and discard the beginning.
No, I think there's truth to that. Every piece of hardware has it's own trigger routing that can probably vary quite a bit. key>trigger>envelope generators>wherever. MIDI out comes after all that, right? If you turn off you're hardware synth's controls, you're immediately going from the key>trigger>MIDI out>Live. Isn't that how it works?
Gotta do that Prophet as pure controller test.
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I got a better test for ya...
first...adjust your midi/audio latencey...(if you hadn't done so already...)
take the midi out... plug it to the midi in...
(beware of midi fb...)
play 1 bar of 1/8 notes... route to output
record live's output back through the inputs.......
now...
SEE the drifting clock ???!!!
( with the hw out of the equation....)
1st bar is always fucked.... 2nd 3rd etc. are better...but still drifting...
until it goes back out of sync again...
I've tried so many tests.... it's my pet bug....and I hate it...
first...adjust your midi/audio latencey...(if you hadn't done so already...)
take the midi out... plug it to the midi in...
(beware of midi fb...)
play 1 bar of 1/8 notes... route to output
record live's output back through the inputs.......
now...
SEE the drifting clock ???!!!
( with the hw out of the equation....)
1st bar is always fucked.... 2nd 3rd etc. are better...but still drifting...
until it goes back out of sync again...
I've tried so many tests.... it's my pet bug....and I hate it...
3dot... wrote:I got a better test for ya...
first...adjust your midi/audio latencey...(if you hadn't done so already...)
take the midi out... plug it to the midi in...
(beware of midi fb...)
play 1 bar of 1/8 notes... route to output
record live's output back through the inputs.......
now...
SEE the drifting clock ???!!!
( with the hw out of the equation....)
1st bar is always fucked.... 2nd 3rd etc. are better...but still drifting...
until it goes back out of sync again...
I've tried so many tests.... it's my pet bug....and I hate it...
I am totally not following your setup recommendation at all. The out of what to the in of what?? wtf?
I've been reading a lot of threads in which people are doing very normal type stuff and having massive sync problems. Hardware with External Instrument. Lay down a pattern and record the MIDI. As it's playing back, the sync is off and the clock is drifting. I've never had that issue.
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I'm having the same problem using Analog Factory... the worst part is that this is not consistent. I've got 6 clips that automatically follow to the next and then back again to the first one... Every so often, without provocation, the last note of the last clip continues to play until the second note of the first clip.
I've made sure the note on the last clip is not extending beyond the clip length and I've made sure the first note of the first clip is not ahead of the "down" beat. I've even pushed the first note back, and still the same problem persists.
This happens time to time with other songs too, but this one is the most obvious cuz it is w/ a fat bass line and it drives me nuts.
Edit: This is not using hardware to trigger the clips... just hitting enter on the first scent and then stepping back. Like I said, this is not consistent.
I've made sure the note on the last clip is not extending beyond the clip length and I've made sure the first note of the first clip is not ahead of the "down" beat. I've even pushed the first note back, and still the same problem persists.
This happens time to time with other songs too, but this one is the most obvious cuz it is w/ a fat bass line and it drives me nuts.
Edit: This is not using hardware to trigger the clips... just hitting enter on the first scent and then stepping back. Like I said, this is not consistent.
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Re: for those who use external synths with ableton............
With baseball bat...3dot... wrote:it is a known bug now for ages... ableton are taking their sweet time...abletoon wrote:this is my problem:
sometimes when i trigger a clip that has a midi note on the the first beat
ableton doesnt play it fully. all i get is a very small piece of it, like when you have the decay on an amplitute envelope turned right down.
ableton has to wait until the next loop cycle to trigger is correctly, which is really annoying.
does anyone else have this problem?
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kaffein wrote:Mang, I still have this problem even with INTERNAL synths. Hell even simpler/impulse.
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84859
Me too. Im fed up with lives shitty midi control.