Why doesn't everyone just get Cubase?

clank72 · Post by **clank72** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:46 pm

All these features are already in Cubase 4. I use both Live and Cubase. Live's sampler is far better then anything so I switch back and forth. But if you don't need easy looping capabilities, freeze all, and Sampler, then I would use both or just one to make your life easier.

Keep this in mind, it will take Ableton years to have all the features of the big DAW's out there.... or probably never. Ableton is not stupid. They will make more money adding just a few new features and then making you upgrade a little at a time. They are already at version 7 for pets sake! Buy the time the version is close to 9 they will call Live something else and go back to version 1.

It's stable, you have instant gratification and it's a new way of thinking. But no big studios really use it or can't use it for everything like other big brother DAWs.

I use mostly Cubase now because Live really lacks in features. But like with all the DAW's, one does something the other doesn't so you can ReWire or switch back and forth between the two. Saying you will ONLY use one DAW is just lame. It's a fee world, use what you want. But most of the features requested here are already in other programs and the money you will have spent on upgrades will be triple of the amount you would of spent if you just went down a got a program like Cubase, Logic or Protools LE.

esky · Post by **esky** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:13 pm

I will never use Cubase simply because it has the ugliest most tasteless designed GUI in the whole world and i cannot force my eyes to look at that the whole day. Maybe you right conncerning features but there are other things that are important too. Ableton has a support much better than other companys, try to get someone on the phone at apple if you have a problem with Logic. And i feel better to give my money to a small innovative company rather than to american arsehole who thinks he can rule the music world. And so on...

jez3122 · Post by **jez3122** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:52 pm

because it's no fun.........

rydan · Post by **rydan** » Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:42 am

Well, I use both (I'm from a cubase background, run cubase since 1.0.2 on Atari ST, run Live since Live 6), and I actually use Cubase less and less. For pure mixing, and for working with live recording and comping, or detailed audio editing, sure, cubase is waaaaaaaaay better than live, but as a sketchpad, or when it comes to routing capabilities for instance, live is much, much better.

What I would really like to have though, is the Cubase midi part editor in Live. =)

davethedrummer · Post by **davethedrummer** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:08 am

me too
i was using cubase back in the stone age
got to cubase vst , then sx , then switched to logic , and got into live v1
and i just find myself using live more and more

who cares about the big studios anyway?
let them pay 10 grand for a pro tools system with all the bells and whistles and then struggle to get a loop in time.

ableton works for me and thats enough

jimp74 · Post by **jimp74** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:43 am

Hey Me Too,

I used Cubase since v1.o4 on atari and upgraded all the way to cubase 4 then I saw the demo of Ableton demo and sold cubase to get it.

Cubase is like your Nan she knows a lot of shit but she keep falling asleep and thinks she knows best.

Live is fresh and just wants to help.

the question should be why do you still use Cubase? I don't miss the old bitch at all:)

pocketdrummer · Post by **pocketdrummer** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:30 am

esky wrote:I will never use Cubase simply because it has the ugliest most tasteless designed GUI in the whole world and i cannot force my eyes to look at that the whole day. Maybe you right conncerning features but there are other things that are important too. Ableton has a support much better than other companys, try to get someone on the phone at apple if you have a problem with Logic. And i feel better to give my money to a small innovative company rather than to american arsehole who thinks he can rule the music world. And so on...

First of all, you shouldn't base the Sequencer you use based on how pretty it is. That's quite foolish. Furthermore, you should take into account that Ableton has customers WORLDWIDE, so you may find some people offended by your "American A**hole" comment.

Oh, and calling Germany for technical support isn't exactly what I would call "Industry Leading".

Aside from all that frustrating nonsense, I really do enjoy making music in live. My main disappointment is how long it's taking them to integrate some mainstream features that all other major sequencers are using today. OMF, cross-fade, overlapping clips, etc. should be in Live already. Even Tracktion 2 had Cross-fading and overlapping clips and that program only cost $99 USD.

If Ableton doesn't do ANYTHING else, they should at least add these more basic features.

radicalcut · Post by **radicalcut** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:39 am

I agree, Live is probably the best musical software ever in terms of ideas and innovation, but its production workflow is too loop-based, crossfading is a thing absolutely necessary, I cannot make a good instrument line (like guitars) without crossafding, and it'is ridiculous that Live doesn't have this simple feature.

Simple, but tedious, minor glitches, easily resolvable, keep Live far from a real full featured DAW.

I ask myself: WHY? There's maybe a precise choice of marketing behind this?

esky · Post by **esky** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:41 am

Sorry, i did not want to offend you, i was just talking about Steve, who's at the moment ruining the nice product called Logic.
Apart from that i'm just a little fed up with those comments like "cubase is better" and that DAW has this feature and why not Live and all this blabla. Mostly from people who haven't got a clue anyway. But you are right, maybe i should just shut up and make music, possible even without crossfades and blabla..
Have a nice day, E.

rydan · Post by **rydan** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:22 pm

radicalcut wrote:I agree, Live is probably the best musical software ever in terms of ideas and innovation, but its production workflow is too loop-based, crossfading is a thing absolutely necessary, I cannot make a good instrument line (like guitars) without crossafding, and it'is ridiculous that Live doesn't have this simple feature.

Simple, but tedious, minor glitches, easily resolvable, keep Live far from a real full featured DAW.

I ask myself: WHY? There's maybe a precise choice of marketing behind this?

Of course you can make crossfades in live, you just use two tracks and clip automation. Slightly more cumbersome, yes, but saying that you can't is really a lack of imagination.

radicalcut · Post by **radicalcut** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:33 pm

rydan wrote:
radicalcut wrote:I agree, Live is probably the best musical software ever in terms of ideas and innovation, but its production workflow is too loop-based, crossfading is a thing absolutely necessary, I cannot make a good instrument line (like guitars) without crossafding, and it'is ridiculous that Live doesn't have this simple feature.

Simple, but tedious, minor glitches, easily resolvable, keep Live far from a real full featured DAW.

I ask myself: WHY? There's maybe a precise choice of marketing behind this?
Of course you can make crossfades in live, you just use two tracks and clip automation. Slightly more cumbersome, yes, but saying that you can't is really a lack of imagination.

It's not simple as you say: first, is complex and boring to micro-crossafade 2 clips in 2 tracks, you must work in terms of milliseconds, zoom in enough to lose the concept of "where you are" in the track; second, crossafades work with logaritmic fade in - fade out, with live you can't draw a precise logaritmic or parabolic automation, but only a straight line: linear crossfades result in a little "hole of silence" between two clips.

I support Live and I love it, but calling this procedure a "crossfade" is absurd.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:57 pm

also - to 'crossfade' in Live you must duplicate the track structure and route both duplicate tracks through a buss track so that you can still control them as one.

Suggesting that a complex workaround is better than the simple correct solution is crazy.

rydan · Post by **rydan** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:10 pm

Angstrom wrote: Suggesting that a complex workaround is better than the simple correct solution is crazy.

Well, I didn't. I also greatly prefer the mixing and audio handling possibilities in Cubase 4. However, to say that "it can't be done" in live is absurd. Of course it can. I never said anything about xfading in live being better or simpler, it isn't. All I said is that it can be done.

radicalcut · Post by **radicalcut** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:50 pm

So, the solution is simple: add an auto-crossfade feature (like that in Logic).

I guess if we can have something like this in Live 8, or maybe we'll forever have to wait for the next major release.

I'm not a pro, playing music for me is only a hobby, and so is music production. I spent lot of time to learn how Live works, my first use for it is live performance, and I don't want to buy another bloody DAW to get rid of several minor but tedious live lacks.

Filament74 · Post by **Filament74** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:42 pm

Why doesn't everyone just get Cubase?

Why doesn't everyone just get Cubase?

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