Obama wins, Dems will crush the weak-ass republicans cuz...

[ethios4]

Bush won Round 1 because GORE WAS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING PUSSY WHO SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT THAT FUCKING RULING TIL THERE WAS BLOOD ON THE STREETS AND HEADS ROLLING. My God. He didn't even try. Not even a little.

Bing! We have a winner! Gore totally pussed out. Sure, things were corrupt as hell from top to bottom also, but Gore just lubed our collective a-hole for the ramrodding of the century. Ouch.

I want to believe in Obama, but he looks worse and worse to me every day. Sure he's against the war in Iraq, but his foreign policy advisers (Brzezinski et al) are awfully concerned with Russia and the Balkans. Brzezinski was involved in the US drawing the USSR into Afghanistan, much as similar minded folks today are doing with Georgia. The arms and training we sold to the Afghani's sure ended up biting us in the ass on 9-11 huh? Which in turn led to the war in Iraq, and another war in Afghanistan. See how these cycles work?

Clinton was so great...I admit things sure felt better then, but he was bombing the hell out of other countries at the time, advancing an imperialist agenda, signed NAFTA, and did very little to reverse our desperate financial situation. The economic policies undergirding the Clinton administration (and every administration for the past century) are the foundation of the economic problems we have today. Meanwhile, everyone forgot what a piece of shit Bush I was, and allowed Bush II to get close enough to the presidency to steal it.

Obama represents "progressivism" which is the old idea that the government is best suited for taking care of everyone. Humans just won't help each other out unless the government is there to take everyone's money and spend it as it sees fit. Sure, that may mean spending $700 BILLION a year on defense in the process, but hey the government knows whats best right?

To me, if Obama really represented "change", he would be talking about dismantling the system of corporate welfare, dismantling the federal reserve (which creates the inflation we are experiencing now!), drastically reducing US military presence around the planet, and using the hundreds of billions of dollars saved each year to pay off all the debts, and increase education, health-care, etc in the US.

Instead he seems to be talking about petty financial changes, moving the wars to other locales, and instituting more costly social programs with little realistic means of funding. No real issues are addressed here. I can't support either candidate without compromising what I believe, so I'm probably not gonna vote at all.

[Moody]

I voting that none of this will change a damn thing.

[knotkranky]

Not voting is certainly no protest. Simply picking the best of the two for whatever reasons is respectable and has action in it and not voting simply hands it to McCain. Thanks a lot

Certainly not voting will not change a damn thing.


kids

[oblique strategies]

McCain & Obama are two sides of the SAME coin.

You want change? Get ready for this:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/

"What will this mean to you? It will mean you will live in a country no longer able to pay for many of the services and guarantees we take for granted. In 40 years, it looks like the government will only be able to pay for three things: Interest on the national debt, "some" Social Security and "some" Medicare. It will not be able to afford any of the other functions it now performs."

[knotkranky]

McCain & Obama are two sides of the SAME coin.

You want change? Get ready for this:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/

"What will this mean to you? It will mean you will live in a country no longer able to pay for many of the services and guarantees we take for granted. In 40 years, it looks like the government will only be able to pay for three things: Interest on the national debt, "some" Social Security and "some" Medicare. It will not be able to afford any of the other functions it now performs."

Alright, then the first best babystep towards reform is eiher going to be McCain or Obama right?

Action is better than non action. You have to vote or chose another positive action. You also have a responsibility to not give it to the bigger of the two assholes.

[oblique strategies]

McCain & Obama are two sides of the SAME coin.

You want change? Get ready for this:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/

"What will this mean to you? It will mean you will live in a country no longer able to pay for many of the services and guarantees we take for granted. In 40 years, it looks like the government will only be able to pay for three things: Interest on the national debt, "some" Social Security and "some" Medicare. It will not be able to afford any of the other functions it now performs."

Alright, then the first best babystep towards reform is eiher going to be McCain or Obama right?

Action is better than non action. You have to vote or chose another positive action. You also have a responsibility to not give it to the bigger of the two assholes.

I don't think there will be reform. I think what's occurring is similar to the movie "Roger & Me" where we witness a slew of different companies & people making a profit off a dying town. Only it's a dying country that's being dismantled piece by piece. It is on life support, which will eventually become too un-profitable to maintain.

Globalization means that geographically located populations no longer comprise "the people" that governments serve. Governments serve the corporation, & the corporation exists everywhere & anywhere.

The power is shifting away from USA. All we really have left is our military -is it any wonder that it is being used?

That said, it is certainly OK to participate in the debacle; by all means vote!

[Tone Deft]

jeebus christ, the differences between the candidates has never been more clear. most of them can't say anything positive, just ethios.


Brzezinski was a good call, he's well aware of the problems in Eastern Europe, China and Russia. Polish born, former Carter staffer.

[landrvr1]

Well, voting for some goofy ass Socialist or Libertarian or whoeverthefuck is certainly everone's right.

Can anyone say NADER?

Just don't come whining when McCain wins.

Better to stay the fuck home. Seriously.


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[j2j]

I've been sold on voting for Obama. I needed to be won over, but that definitely did happen.

Anyways, I'm watching the final night unfold on CNN, and we just heard the best performance of the national anthem in as long as I can remember.

Plus, it was so emotional to see the colors presented, and hear the pledge of allegiance.


I really am beginning to get energized about a campaign I was extremely skeptical of, and have nothing but high hopes for our nation if he wins.

I am slightly worried, about our foreign policy. While I agree we need to take a less aggressive posture, I wholeheartedly we believe we should defend the ideas our country was founded on, our safeties, and our freedoms, our allies and our world to the end as well.

[landrvr1]

US Foreign Policy should be simple: The US out of everywhere right now.

No more choosing sides. Hell, we never choose sides anyway. We double dip.

We say we hate Russia and support Georgia? Bullshit. Trade between Russia and the US has never been more brisk. To my knowledge there isn't a single sanction left on trade with Russia. We also continue to sell tons of technology and food to the Russians. So, as usual, the administrations public stance differs radically from the truth. We double dip. We aren't alone. Everyone else does it. We just do it a helluva lot more at this current point in history.

Meh.

Brzezinski and his ilk should simply be obsolete in this new age of Americanism.

God, where's Ron Paul when we need him?

Frankly, Obama should peg Paul as his Secretary of State. Hmm. I'm sensing a new thread...

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[landrvr1]

I've been sold on voting for Obama. I needed to be won over, but that definitely did happen.

Anyways, I'm watching the final night unfold on CNN, and we just heard the best performance of the national anthem in as long as I can remember.

Plus, it was so emotional to see the colors presented, and hear the pledge of allegiance.


I really am beginning to get energized about a campaign I was extremely skeptical of, and have nothing but high hopes for our nation if he wins.

I am slightly worried, about our foreign policy. While I agree we need to take a less aggressive posture, I wholeheartedly we believe we should defend the ideas our country was founded on, our safeties, and our freedoms, our allies and our world to the end as well.

I gotta admit that I got a bit excited as well. It's still a giant unnecessary circle jerk that costs a fucking fortune to put together. God. How many of those families without healthcare that all of the candidates seem to bring up every 2 seconds in their speeches could actually GET heathcare for a year or two if they gave away half the money that the convention cost. Assholes. I do like the term Obamalopolis though. Funny.

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[oblique strategies]

Who would you rather vote for?



Or

[knotkranky]

I've been sold on voting for Obama. I needed to be won over, but that definitely did happen.

Anyways, I'm watching the final night unfold on CNN, and we just heard the best performance of the national anthem in as long as I can remember.

Plus, it was so emotional to see the colors presented, and hear the pledge of allegiance.


I really am beginning to get energized about a campaign I was extremely skeptical of, and have nothing but high hopes for our nation if he wins.

I am slightly worried, about our foreign policy. While I agree we need to take a less aggressive posture, I wholeheartedly we believe we should defend the ideas our country was founded on, our safeties, and our freedoms, our allies and our world to the end as well.

I gotta admit that I got a bit excited as well. It's still a giant unnecessary circle jerk that costs a fucking fortune to put together. God. How many of those families without healthcare that all of the candidates seem to bring up every 2 seconds in their speeches could actually GET heathcare for a year or two if they gave away half the money that the convention cost. Assholes. I do like the term Obamalopolis though. Funny.

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Yeah, i'm excited too. I can't believe I get to vote for a black man and I remember the 1960's quite well so it's daaaamn awesome! It's absolutely huge and puts a lot of positives and faith in my americans. I'm prideful.

[oblique strategies]

Yeah, i'm excited too. I can't believe I get to vote for a black man and I remember the 1960's quite well so it's daaaamn awesome! It's absolutely huge and puts a lot of positives and faith in my americans. I'm prideful.

It is great that we finally get to have a black man & a woman as candidates. However, the devil's advocate in me has to say that it can also be interpreted as "giving the dog a bone".

Timing is everything.

[Pitch Black]

To any Americans who are considering not voting. Please consider this: the Rest-Of-The-World would much rather see Obama in office, so could you bring yourself to do a little selfless act, and vote for him anyway, for us?

That would be awesome