[OT]: let's speak about music

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:16 am

ok, a little break from the political talks:
let's speak about ppl's musical tastes and influences. so for 5 main musical styles, if you had to pick up only one name, what would it be, and why. the selected musical styles are:
1. classical
2. jazz
3. rock
4. electronica
5. you choose

my answers:

1: bartok for making fresh stuff with all-time instruments
2: miles davis for always renewing himself
3: the velvet underground for their diversity, and darkness
4: rather hard to decide, but i'd say prefuse73 because his music doesn't seem very complicated but can be listened to on a lot of different levels. and because i listen to him a lot at the moment.
5: reggae: bob marley cos, well, HE IS the reggae.

ok, have your go!
if nothing comes to your mind for 1 style just leave it blank, it's not a quizz!

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:57 am

1. classical - Pietro Mascagni , most emmotional music to ever grace this earth i think.
2. jazz - John Birks "Dizzy" Gillespie , i think he was the total package. style, attitude, raw, yet polished. all musically speaking of course.
3. rock - hmmm, not my forte for critiquing. I guess i'd say Radiohead because they sound like Radiohead and no one else. Jane's Addiction comes in a close 2nd.
4. electronica - Richie Hawtin. The man has fused creation with performance unlike anyone else.
5. you choose - King Tubby, because i say so.

Kas. · Post by **Kas.** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:05 pm

well, why the hell not?

1. Chopin. a bit dubious wether he´s "clasical" in the clasical sense of the word but then again the same could be said about Bach. Let´s not debate that. His style of conceptualism and how he blends it with asthetics greatly apeals to me.
2. Dave Brubeck (which obviously includes Paul Desmond on sax) perhaps too late, perhaps too "white" but in reply i have to say "Audry". Never listen to jazz on cd, vinyl all the way.
3. Swans. No comment, you either get it or you don´t.
4. Panasonic tied with Maurizio.
5. David Lynch. Not so much as a musician but for how he chooses composers for his soundtracks.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:42 pm

There's Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Oum Kalthoum.

Everything else SUCKS. SUCKSSUCKSSUCKSSUCKSSUCKS.

Especially Jazz. What a waste of fucking time. Wankers, the lot of them. Wouldn't know music if it slapped 'em in the head with a dead fish. They're ALL just trying to be Django Reinhardt, and he wasn't even any good to begin with.

I'm not even going to waste my breath on 'rock' music. Eighth note guitars to 1-2-3-4 drums? You call it music, I call it SHITE!!

Then there's what you call 'classical' music. Like Bach or Beethoven or, the king of wank, Mozart. Oh, you know your major scales, that's very sweet - NOW PISS OFF!!!

-Paws

FaX-01 · Post by **FaX-01** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:50 pm

1. Classical - Bach : the Master of counterpoint and a reference point for many greats who followed. Honestly capable of a melodic interludes of sheer beauty .
For me at least ,like listening to the songs of angles.

2.Jazz - I'd have to site Miles Davis , a great talent and a real innovator.
Not always consistent but always willing to push the envelope.
Some truly brilliant musical concepts explored and albums released
none the less.

3.Rock - For me this would have to be David Bowie handsdown.
Brilliant songwriter , some truly mind boggling output and a real
inspiration. Still cited as an influence and/or reference point by many to
this very day.

4.Electronica - Richard H.Kirk (I'm cheating here and adding Cabaret Voltaire) in with this one. If it hadn't been for the Cab's I wouldn't have been turned on to electronic music. If it hadn't been for Richard H.Kirk my music wouldn't be half as good as it is now.

5.My Choice - David Sylvian (solo works only)

Never a big "Japan" fan I must admit.
That said Brilliant Trees , Gone To Earth , Daashan , words With The Shaman , Secrets of The Beehive , Dead Bees on a Cake , Blemish and the myriad of collaborations ie: Sakamoto ,Czukey ,Vrenna etc etc speak the language of my soul.
Truly timeless ,beautiful ,poetic ,eclectic and heartfelt art.
What more can I say really.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:54 pm

noisetonepause wrote:There's Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Oum Kalthoum.

Everything else SUCKS. SUCKSSUCKSSUCKSSUCKSSUCKS.

Especially Jazz. What a waste of fucking time. Wankers, the lot of them. Wouldn't know music if it slapped 'em in the head with a dead fish. They're ALL just trying to be Django Reinhardt, and he wasn't even any good to begin with.

I'm not even going to waste my breath on 'rock' music. Eighth note guitars to 1-2-3-4 drums? You call it music, I call it SHITE!!

Then there's what you call 'classical' music. Like Bach or Beethoven or, the king of wank, Mozart. Oh, you know your major scales, that's very sweet - NOW PISS OFF!!!

-Paws

You old cynic you.

classical: Arvo Paart (comtempory orchestral)

Jazz: got to agree with Paws there, I try and try but it still leaves me cold.

Rock: Saxon, because it's the most mindless and innocent. Deep Purple cos they had a bit of groove.

Electronic: Very hard to choose. Underworld probably, cos they first turned my head to something other than rock.

Other: Pink Floyd for composing 'Echoes'

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:10 pm

He he I have to disagree with Paws here

for me Mozart was a nice experiment in teaching a child very early to play music so that it could be completely 2nd nature so that by the time he got to his requiem it was straight from the soul. His requiem - in particular 'Lacrimosa' has got me through many a dark night - as has Old Beeth-Oven's Moonlight Sonata (just a shame the latter has been used in so many ads)

so 1. Mozart's Requiem

Also Jazz - after a night at a Jazz bar in Amsterdam, where I'm sure I saw Jack Kerouacs ghostly apparition, I heard some of the best nights music ever - they were dripping with sweat and blowing the roof off absolutely buzzing and I'm certain that's how Jazz is meant to be - pity I can remember the name.

2. I guess I could Say Miles Davis on that front.

3.Electronic - I'm a big fan of 'tech house' and breaks but all time fave would be the chemical brothers who never seem to lose the buzz.

4. Pop/Rock - well yeah sorry to be obvious but the Beatles (1965 and after) and other Psychedelic 60s - Pink Floyd, The Who, Credence, Stones... could go on

5. Blues - Howlin Wolf, Leadbelly, Sonny Terry/Brownie McGhee, robert johnson, muddy waters, john lee hooker etc

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:36 pm

On a more serious note -

Classical music: Well, is Steve Reich classical music? Is Shostakovich? Stravinsky? Satie? Wagner? Pick one.
Rock: *bleh*. I really hate that word. Wreaks of stale beer, room temperature IQs and same-old-same-old-same-old-WANK... I quite like the sound of 80's Goth and tings, though, so I suppose saying 'Joy Division' would cover my behind.
Jazz: If forced at gun point, I might admit to liking Coleman's Free Jazz or Coltrane's A Love Supreme, but only when I'm in a good mood...
Electronic: First album I ever got was the Prodigy's Music For The Jilted Generation and it still pisses all over 90% of what passes for 'dance' music these days, so it's either that or Dizzee Rascal (the latest truly great musical kickintheballs I've gotten).
Other: You leave me in an awkward place... see, this thread is Eurocentric as fuck! Arabic pop music, salsa, Nusrat (my love for that man knows few boundaries), proper ska, African pop, Bhangra, etc. etc. all expose Modern Western Popular music (ie. everthing that's even looked at a guitar or drum kit) for the soulless, mindless, grooveless, wasteofbreathe noise pollution most of it really is... I mean, that Kelis single 'Trick Me' has a nice beat to it, but put it next to Nawal Al-Zoughbi's 3Ayneek Kadabeen or some such and notice how it in comparison just sort of choo-choo trains it's way through that complete lack of structure... nah. Face it. We may win all the battles - the Arabs have all the good songs!

-Paws

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:37 pm

Whoever spots the Tom Lehrer paraphrase in that post gets ten points.

-Paws

dirtystudios · Post by **dirtystudios** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:27 pm

1. classical - it's tough to beat the "pop three" in classical. i know they are touted high and above every other compser, but i think there's a fair reason. they're just genius fried in genius smothered in genius sauce. bach for his counterpoint (my god!), beethoven for his ability to convey everything human through music, and wolfgang just for the sheer maddening genius of it all.

2. jazz - mingus, just 'cause he that fuckin' good.

3. rock - pink floyd has far and above influenced me over any other rock outfit. gilmour is not the best guitarist in the world by far, but his solos are unmatched in terms of their personality and (if it's a word) epicness.

4. electronica - funkstörung, the beatsmiths of tomorrow, today. they have continued to disassemble and reassemble pop music into peices that have more depth to them than almost anything else i've ever heard, all the while maintaining accessability and listenability. you could listen to vice versa or appetite for disctruction for years and still not hear it all. i might be too heavily influenced by them for my own good.

5. you choose - saul williams. every now and again someone will come along who is so fucking on spot that it's almost enough to just have everyone else call it quits because they'll never top them. while perhaps more of a poet than a musician, i think saul is by and far the best poet/mc that may have ever lived. if he left a gourd or a shoe behind, i'd start a cult.

i've also gotta give a shout out to stevie ray vaughn if for nothing other than his performance of little wing. or maybe the shout goes to his engineer who some how caputured the smell of dust burning on an amp's tubes to tape.

k

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:29 pm

Classical - Holst. Bach would be too obvious a choice (counterpoint and all), but Holst managed to write some inspired music in his lifetime, and the Planet Suite is still amazingly beautiful

Jazz - Coltrane. You can hear the guy's inner torment through his playing. Pure unadulterated emotion.

Rock - David Bowie and the Beatles have it out in a tie. Bowie, the eternal chamaeleon, the guy who once said "My goal in life is to make music so uncompromising I'll have no audience left."

Electronic - has to be Jean-Michel Jarre. Oxygene turned me on to electronic music, and let me to discover Vangelis, Kraftwerk, and all of today's electronic styles and producers.

You choose - The Beatles, the first innovators, often copied, but never quite reached. First, they perfected the pop song, then adopted the idea of the studio as an instrument to produce some of the most mind-blowing material known to man.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:09 pm

forge wrote: He he I have to disagree with Paws here

for me Mozart was a nice experiment in teaching a child very early to play music so that it could be completely 2nd nature so that by the time he got to his requiem it was straight from the soul. His requiem - in particular 'Lacrimosa' has got me through many a dark night - as has Old Beeth-Oven's Moonlight Sonata (just a shame the latter has been used in so many ads)

so 1. Mozart's Requiem

Also Jazz - after a night at a Jazz bar in Amsterdam, where I'm sure I saw Jack Kerouacs ghostly apparition, I heard some of the best nights music ever - they were dripping with sweat and blowing the roof off absolutely buzzing and I'm certain that's how Jazz is meant to be - pity I can remember the name.

2. I guess I could Say Miles Davis on that front.

3.Electronic - I'm a big fan of 'tech house' and breaks but all time fave would be the chemical brothers who never seem to lose the buzz.

4. Pop/Rock - well yeah sorry to be obvious but the Beatles (1965 and after) and other Psychedelic 60s - Pink Floyd, The Who, Credence, Stones... could go on

5. Blues - Howlin Wolf, Leadbelly, Sonny Terry/Brownie McGhee, robert johnson, muddy waters, john lee hooker etc

Cant believe I left out the Cure who completely got me thorough my teenage angst and depressions - with their Album Faith in particular (one of the most Gothic and dark albums - amazing!) the song All cats are grey was the song I used to say I'd slash my wrists to.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:13 pm

noisetonepause wrote:On a more serious note -

Classical music: Well, is Steve Reich classical music? Is Shostakovich? Stravinsky? Satie? Wagner? Pick one.
Rock: *bleh*. I really hate that word. Wreaks of stale beer, room temperature IQs and same-old-same-old-same-old-WANK... I quite like the sound of 80's Goth and tings, though, so I suppose saying 'Joy Division' would cover my behind.
Jazz: If forced at gun point, I might admit to liking Coleman's Free Jazz or Coltrane's A Love Supreme, but only when I'm in a good mood...
Electronic: First album I ever got was the Prodigy's Music For The Jilted Generation and it still pisses all over 90% of what passes for 'dance' music these days, so it's either that or Dizzee Rascal (the latest truly great musical kickintheballs I've gotten).
Other: You leave me in an awkward place... see, this thread is Eurocentric as fuck! Arabic pop music, salsa, Nusrat (my love for that man knows few boundaries), proper ska, African pop, Bhangra, etc. etc. all expose Modern Western Popular music (ie. everthing that's even looked at a guitar or drum kit) for the soulless, mindless, grooveless, wasteofbreathe noise pollution most of it really is... I mean, that Kelis single 'Trick Me' has a nice beat to it, but put it next to Nawal Al-Zoughbi's 3Ayneek Kadabeen or some such and notice how it in comparison just sort of choo-choo trains it's way through that complete lack of structure... nah. Face it. We may win all the battles - the Arabs have all the good songs!

-Paws

Some cool stuff in there too - I have to totally go along with the world music colection there - I grew up around my Hippy mothers Indian 'Kirtain' singing sessions and they were amazing.

Ali Farka Toure should prolly go in there as well

And Likewise I have to acknowledge the Jilted Generation album as a HUUUUGE influence

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:03 pm

yes, lots of interesting music here. i mean, i'm up with most of the choices made.
that leads me to another question: how many of you (of us should i say) listened to 'cold-wave' as teenagers? how many still listen to it?
i used to be a big fan of the cure, joy division, bauhaus and the like.
i don't listen to these bands anymore, but sometimes, when it happens i hear them, i feel like like most of it is still quite good (though some really didn't make it over time).
recently at a minimal compact live, i discussed with a cold-wave-hardcorer (you know, the guy with long greasy hair dressed all in black wearing a long dark coat, black Dock Martin's and badges of Christian Death

), and he told me that there wasn't nothing new in this musical genre. he still listened mostly to 20 year-old stuff. anyway, it was fun to see that minimal compact brought together ppl like him and younger techno fans. and me, caught in the middle. the concert wasn't that good (specificaly being after LCD Soundsystem).

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:29 am

1. classical- Gorecki - just because...
2. jazz- billie holiday -i would have said miles, but billie hits on a much deeper level for me...take a listen to "strange fruit"
3. rock- Patti Smith-for taking rock music, and realizing that it could be a life changing musical movement (this is PRE the massive commericalization that we have now)
4. electronica-hehe...my roots are in synthpop, and the root of that for me is Duran Duran (and Nick Rhodes is sporting a laptop now)
5. Ani DiFranco- for forging her own path

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