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Post by lunabass » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:41 am

Hidden Driveways wrote:the sky is falling, the sky is falling!
hey look everybody. i'm a veteran pc user and IT guru....wow never been called that before. :lol:

dont worry kids, you too can achieve pc greatness just like me because i managed to become an IT, pc guru all in the short time frame of 3 years with the one and only pc i've ever owned!

i'll let you in on a little secret though kids on how i achieved veteran, pc, IT guru status...it took me just 3 easy steps and i'm going to tell you what they are completely free of charge....yes thats right FREE:

1. i purchased mcafee antivirus and firewall package
2. installed it and turned automatic updates to on
3. left windows update on....

....and whata ya know....NO VIRUSES :lol:

i must also ask my boss to introduce me to the IT guy that works here...cant say i've ever met him. perhaps if i just follow these blue ethernet cable thingys....
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Post by adventurepants_ » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:53 am

Avast or AVGfree will do the same job as Mcaffee, but a lot cheaper, and without the insane RAM hit it gives you. If you run it in conjunction with a good spyware cleaner (AVG has it integrated now, or Adaware + MS Defender), keep auto updates on, you will be virus free.

If you regularly surf pirate warez and pron sites, or download from Limewire then you are on the coalface of virus infection. The above software should still keep you safe. Ive not had a virus on a windows machine for literally years.
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Post by o0o » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:55 am

Hidden Driveways wrote:
forge wrote:A Mac just works like it's supposed to, without any IT assistance.
don't do it! get a mac!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ma ... s&aq=f&oq=

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Post by Hidden Driveways » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:41 pm

lunabass wrote:....
I used a PC for 6 years. In 2004 the studio I had where we ran Sonar as our DAW got hit by some nasty worms. I was used to debugging worms and I was the one who would search the internet to find out what I needed to do to deworm the PC. It took a half hour sometimes, sometimes an hour. Some worms and viruses would plague us for weeks. Then we got hit by something bad. My roommate/studiomate at the time had an important session coming up so a audio friend of our lent us his PC.

Before we set up his computer we went to Radio Shack and bought a wired router and Norton Internet security software for the borrowed PC. I installed everything. I swear, as soon as I loaded that Internet Security CD all hell broke loose. The software literally made us a virus magnet. It was so bad that the Norton icon on the desktop was immovable. You couldn't throw it way, move it, click on it, nothing. Within minutes of going online we had the Master Blaster virus. The session was ruined. The dude took his PC back, and I don't know what became of it. I got my tax return the next week and went out and bought a G5 tower. Sonar couldn't run on it, so in my search for a new DAW I found this lovely little program called Live 2. <3 <3
o0o wrote:...I am asserting that you just claimed that Apple Computers have never had an error. I have proved this with a tool called Google...

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Post by aburgener » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:52 pm

WTF possessed you to buy Norton anything?

I seriously don't get the whole PC = automatic virus thing. I've had no antivirus protection for a good 7-8 years now and have never been infected - and it's not because I'm lucky.

Isn't it more likely that your PC was already fucked up and infected and Norton simply freaked out (as it tends to do)? I've seen rtvscan.exe bring a computer to its knees pretty quickly.

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Post by Hidden Driveways » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:05 pm

aburgener wrote:WTF possessed you to buy Norton anything?

I seriously don't get the whole PC = automatic virus thing. I've had no antivirus protection for a good 7-8 years now and have never been infected - and it's not because I'm lucky.

Isn't it more likely that your PC was already fucked up and infected and Norton simply freaked out (as it tends to do)? I've seen rtvscan.exe bring a computer to its knees pretty quickly.
My only point is that I had problem after problem after problem. I bought a Mac 4 1/2 years ago and I haven't had a problem since.

This thread is about an Apple user who was going to buy a PC. He decided that he would buy some instruments instead and dedicate 100% of his music making time to making music. I'm not out to ignite a PC vs. Mac battle. I'm glad that everything is going smoothly with your PCs.

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same old thang again?

Post by max2f » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:12 pm

somehow it seems like every discussion ends up in this win vs mac.
BORING

lunabass is maybe wrong to give to damn much about this forum i guess, or just read the wrong lines, because theres always some people with good ideas in here too...

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Post by aburgener » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:17 pm

Hidden Driveways wrote:
aburgener wrote:WTF possessed you to buy Norton anything?

I seriously don't get the whole PC = automatic virus thing. I've had no antivirus protection for a good 7-8 years now and have never been infected - and it's not because I'm lucky.

Isn't it more likely that your PC was already fucked up and infected and Norton simply freaked out (as it tends to do)? I've seen rtvscan.exe bring a computer to its knees pretty quickly.
My only point is that I had problem after problem after problem. I bought a Mac 4 1/2 years ago and I haven't had a problem since.

This thread is about an Apple user who was going to buy a PC. He decided that he would buy some instruments instead and dedicate 100% of his music making time to making music. I'm not out to ignite a PC vs. Mac battle. I'm glad that everything is going smoothly with your PCs.
fair enough, my main point was that norton antivirus stuff sucks ass. :)

i'm hardly the one to start a pc vs. mac argument either. the only thing that ever prohibited me from going to mac was $$$ but i took the plunge this month and yes, it's the nicest piece of equipment i've ever owned. but i didn't get it because i was constantly fighting off infections or constantly fixing my pc. i bought it because i admin pcs 50+ hrs a week and windows xp is the last thing i want to see when i go home. that and i'm a sucker for design & aesthetics. 8)

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Post by forge » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:32 pm

Hidden Driveways wrote:
lunabass wrote:....
I used a PC for 6 years. In 2004 the studio I had where we ran Sonar as our DAW got hit by some nasty worms. I was used to debugging worms and I was the one who would search the internet to find out what I needed to do to deworm the PC. It took a half hour sometimes, sometimes an hour. Some worms and viruses would plague us for weeks. Then we got hit by something bad. My roommate/studiomate at the time had an important session coming up so a audio friend of our lent us his PC.

Before we set up his computer we went to Radio Shack and bought a wired router and Norton Internet security software for the borrowed PC. I installed everything. I swear, as soon as I loaded that Internet Security CD all hell broke loose. The software literally made us a virus magnet. It was so bad that the Norton icon on the desktop was immovable. You couldn't throw it way, move it, click on it, nothing. Within minutes of going online we had the Master Blaster virus. The session was ruined. The dude took his PC back, and I don't know what became of it. I got my tax return the next week and went out and bought a G5 tower. Sonar couldn't run on it, so in my search for a new DAW I found this lovely little program called Live 2. <3 <3
o0o wrote:...I am asserting that you just claimed that Apple Computers have never had an error. I have proved this with a tool called Google...
I think there were still a few more problems in 2004 - Xp was still only 2 years old, and I don't even think Sp1 was out then - SP1 and more so SP2 fixed a lot because MS finally stepped up and took some responsibility rather than always forcing people to get 3rd party tools, since SP2 in particular things have been pretty solid ever since really

You can't stick XP on the net without SP1 because there are so many holes, but from SP2 on you're pretty safe

SP3 is going well for me too

Some retailers still will ship with XP

TBH - every now and then I wish I had a mac, but then I remember plug-ins that I'd lose because I can't or wont pay to update them, and believe it or not I have personally experienced more crashes and problems with Macs

with macs it in my experience it's always tended to be irritating stuff like "unable to save document . error-10" and that;s it - no, save as, no other warning, just a 'too bad'

personally I think the biggest fatal flaw with macs is that attempt to hide everything from the user, which just means you come across situations where something wont work and it doesnt tell you why or what you can do about it

I was at a mate's the other day, brand new iMac in his studio, we were trying to work the LE version of BFD that came with his MPD32 and it just said 'cannot run CSP' or something when we tried to install the drum sounds. That was the end of it.

In PC land there are usually so many other users around you can find solutions really quick via google from other people who've been there

I really like a lot of things about Macs, but every time I seriously think about getting one, practicality always wins out and I realise I'm better off with a PC - not saying it's the same for everyone, but your 2004 experiences are from the olden days IMO, not common now

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Post by Sales Dude McBoob » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:45 pm

forge wrote:
Sales Dude McBoob wrote:
I used a PC for 6 years. In 2004...
I think there were still a few more problems in 2004 - Xp was still only 2 years old... BFD LE is borked on new iMacs...
I think it's safe to say that generally when you use plug-ins and DAWs, whether on PC or not, that you're going to have to do a bit of trouble shooting here and there. Being someone who uses both platforms, in my experience it's much easier to load new software and hardware and get it running quickly on a Mac as compared to a PC.

Just sayin'.

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Post by forge » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:53 pm

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:
forge wrote:
Sales Dude McBoob wrote:
I used a PC for 6 years. In 2004...
I think there were still a few more problems in 2004 - Xp was still only 2 years old... BFD LE is borked on new iMacs...
I think it's safe to say that generally when you use plug-ins and DAWs, whether on PC or not, that you're going to have to do a bit of trouble shooting here and there. Being someone who uses both platforms, in my experience it's much easier to load new software and hardware and get it running quickly on a Mac as compared to a PC.

Just sayin'.
the problem is when it doesn't work, which does happen, then there are often less ways to solve it

and are you trying to sideswipe me with the login thing? 8O

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Post by DJ Precious » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:57 pm

forge wrote:
Hidden Driveways wrote:
forge wrote: I think there were still a few more problems in 2004 - Xp was still only 2 years old... BFD LE is borked on new iMacs...
are you trying to sideswipe me with the login thing? 8O
Sideswipe? That sounds mean. No. I'm just goofing around with my old logins, Craig. :)
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Post by aburgener » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:00 pm

forge wrote: personally I think the biggest fatal flaw with macs is that attempt to hide everything from the user, which just means you come across situations where something wont work and it doesnt tell you why or what you can do about it
that's what's been the weirdest thing for me to get used to, actually... installing and uninstalling programs in particular is really different than what i'm used to. i feel like they want me to have an "out of sight, out of mind - just drag it to the trash to uninstall" type attitude but i'm too neurotic to not suspect that there are files buried in folders that i cant get to and delete...

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Post by lunabass » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:34 am

thanx for the background info on your pc woes hidden driveways and apologies for my sarcastic reply to you earlier.

i bought my dell in 2005 when i decided my old G4 350 couldn't cut it anymore. i didn't make the switch lightly as i was very concerned about many of the things you've highlighted. i wanted a laptop and the macbooks at the time were very underpowered compared to the intels so i finally, after about 3 months deliberation, jumped over to pc.

i can honestly say it's been a painless experience.

our studio g5 machines have just as many issues or problems as your average well looked after pc. only 3 weeks ago i had to wipe a partition on our main studio g5 because it had become corrupted and no amount of coaxing could fix the issue. we lost 25gb of multitrack audio (all of it was backed up).

imho, there just isn't a lot of difference between mac os and xp with regards to running it reliability on the net and using it for audio...vista could well be a different story.

to the original poster, have you decided what type of keyboard you're gonna go for?
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Post by Mike Goodwin » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:55 am

and to " myself

Lets start another lame ass conversation about how much computers suck and do that all day long in place of actually making music with the fantastic tools that we have at hand. In fact well where at it lets debate 44.1 vs. 96Khz and analog Vs. Software and we will be sure to never make another track ever again
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