Recorded Automation Gets Smoothed, Loses Breakpoints

timbreland · Post by **timbreland** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:18 pm

As soon as I stop recording in Arrangement view,

This recorded automation:

turns into this automation which has way less breakpoints:

Why does this happen and how do I keep my automation looking and sounding like the 1st pic? Is there a preference I can set to keep it the way it was recorded?

Dominik · Post by **Dominik** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:21 pm

you can edit the options.txt.
thin automation,something like this.

m:o · Post by **m:o** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:21 pm

here you go

---> http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 39&start=0

problem solved

Dominik · Post by **Dominik** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:22 pm

laird · Post by **laird** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:44 pm

So... is it possible to turn Automation Thinning on, with Live7?
Without going to options.txt?

m:o · Post by **m:o** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:50 pm

laird wrote:So... is it possible to turn Automation Thinning on, with Live7?
Without going to options.txt?

yes (it's on as default)
no

why do you want to turn it on?

laird · Post by **laird** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:52 pm

i don't.
i was just trying to recreate the thinning scenerio and I couldn't do it.
Didn't know about manually editing options.txt

timbreland · Post by **timbreland** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:13 pm

Wow I did the Options.txt thing and it worked. Thank you!!! In the doc I typed:

-MidiEventThinning=0
-ThinningAggressiveness=0

Why this is not the default I don't really understand.

Time to look at some more Options.txt possibilities...

timbreland · Post by **timbreland** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:23 pm

..actually I am getting some occasional clicks in the audio with thinning turned off (using operator). Perhaps it is a matter of adjusting the thinning aggressiveness? Has anyone tried messing with this parameter?

timbreland · Post by **timbreland** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:52 pm

okay a just did a small test, messing with the values of x and y in
-MidiEventThinning=x
-ThinningAggressiveness=y

the tracks are labeled 'thinning x y'

seems that y must be set to 0 otherwise MIDI data is thinned no matter what. No luck in adjusting the 'aggressiveness of the MIDI thinning though...

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:52 pm

timbreland wrote:..actually I am getting some occasional clicks in the audio with thinning turned off (using operator). Perhaps it is a matter of adjusting the thinning aggressiveness? Has anyone tried messing with this parameter?

well, I would reckon that thinningaggressiveness only affects the results if thinning is on, wouldn't you think?

timbreland · Post by **timbreland** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:16 pm

Machinate wrote:
timbreland wrote:..actually I am getting some occasional clicks in the audio with thinning turned off (using operator). Perhaps it is a matter of adjusting the thinning aggressiveness? Has anyone tried messing with this parameter?
well, I would reckon that thinningaggressiveness only affects the results if thinning is on, wouldn't you think?

Yes that would make sense.

I also tried only typing the thinningaggressiveness command (no MIDIEventThinning) with both a value of 5 and 50, and there seemed to be no change from the above examples where the cc data was thinned completely.

scyhte · Post by **scyhte** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:55 am

i was very comfortable with this. but now i noticed that too short triggering of buttons on my bcr results in interpolation again. this only happens, when i press a button for a very short time (smaller than 1/4 bar). there is a straight diagonal line now from the point where i pressed the button to the point i released it. and sometimes it even interpolates between two events that are really far away from each other. this fucks up my whole recording...makes me go mad...
anyone having this behaviour too?

siliconarc · Post by **siliconarc** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:51 pm

ok now i'm really confused - i've been getting badly stepped automation from every midi source i try.
looking at your automation, i see its thinned but still retains smooth flow. not here!

here's how my automation records:

i recorded the data into both cubase and live simultaneously to test.
could anyone explain why my live automation is stepped like this?
quantize is 'none', no plugins used, and the only midi input chosen is my pcr-500.

7.0.10
OSX 10.5.5
edirol pcr-500

siliconarc · Post by **siliconarc** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:45 am

sorted this months ago but forgot to update the post.
turns out i was recording the automation in session view, and the Options.txt thinning thingum has no effect in session.

Recorded Automation Gets Smoothed, Loses Breakpoints

Recorded Automation Gets Smoothed, Loses Breakpoints

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