I'm thinking about making the switch from Cubase SX3 to Ableton Live.
But what would the main advantages be, over Cubase SX?
What does Ableton really do, in order to enhance the workflow?
As I see it now, I've seen a couple of things which really attract me, but there must be more!?
Reasons for switching to Ableton from Cubase?
Hi Buddy,
I learned to do this all on cubase... Switching to live has just been awesome. First off, well.. You can use live-- LIVE
very easily, and very well.
Second, session view, is just great for producing modern, loopy music..
Third...
Workflow, drag n drop plugs, in your face routing, upfront mixing, killer arrangement perks, wonderful integration with midi controllers, easier to set up with an audio card, ALIVE AND AWAKE-- Email Returning customer support!
I can not stress that enough!!
um, Hardly crashes here!
Actually, Rapture is the only thing crashing live for me, but cakewalk refuses to help.....
UM, what else... Skins, I like the skins, nice array of built in fx... not mind blowing ones, but useful...
Mostly though... Live is inspiring for me, in a way cubase never was.....
IMHO, cubase has better midi.
Doing lots of audio, and sampling, and sorta sound design here:
If midi is your god!! You might not feel live.
I use Mulab for midi sometimes when I need to see something, and just import the file...
Peace
I learned to do this all on cubase... Switching to live has just been awesome. First off, well.. You can use live-- LIVE
very easily, and very well.
Second, session view, is just great for producing modern, loopy music..
Third...
Workflow, drag n drop plugs, in your face routing, upfront mixing, killer arrangement perks, wonderful integration with midi controllers, easier to set up with an audio card, ALIVE AND AWAKE-- Email Returning customer support!
I can not stress that enough!!
um, Hardly crashes here!
Actually, Rapture is the only thing crashing live for me, but cakewalk refuses to help.....
UM, what else... Skins, I like the skins, nice array of built in fx... not mind blowing ones, but useful...
Mostly though... Live is inspiring for me, in a way cubase never was.....
IMHO, cubase has better midi.
Doing lots of audio, and sampling, and sorta sound design here:
If midi is your god!! You might not feel live.
I use Mulab for midi sometimes when I need to see something, and just import the file...
Peace
too many lasers...
Hi Jonas, Why not use them together like I do?! Use the best from both.
I make my songs in Cubase and remixes and sample stuff in Live.
I find Cubase much easier for most things, but with Live you can make a remix in 1 hour and use it as a luxury sampler together with Cubase.
That's what I do.
D
vid
I make my songs in Cubase and remixes and sample stuff in Live.
I find Cubase much easier for most things, but with Live you can make a remix in 1 hour and use it as a luxury sampler together with Cubase.
That's what I do.
D
vid-
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Wot e sed n im fik as a dikj2j wrote:Hi Buddy,
I learned to do this all on cubase... Switching to live has just been awesome. First off, well.. You can use live-- LIVE
very easily, and very well.
Second, session view, is just great for producing modern, loopy music..
Third...
Workflow, drag n drop plugs, in your face routing, upfront mixing, killer arrangement perks, wonderful integration with midi controllers, easier to set up with an audio card, ALIVE AND AWAKE-- Email Returning customer support!
I can not stress that enough!!
um, Hardly crashes here!
Actually, Rapture is the only thing crashing live for me, but cakewalk refuses to help.....
UM, what else... Skins, I like the skins, nice array of built in fx... not mind blowing ones, but useful...
Mostly though... Live is inspiring for me, in a way cubase never was.....
IMHO, cubase has better midi.
Doing lots of audio, and sampling, and sorta sound design here:
If midi is your god!! You might not feel live.
I use Mulab for midi sometimes when I need to see something, and just import the file...
Peace
Hd (soon to be aka brash
)Err o yer NO crash ere!!
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Now seriously. These two products complement each other perfectly. Use Cubase for serious recording/comping and complex midi editing. Use Live for Session View, catching ideas, non-linear arrangement, drag&drop samples, effects and instruments to fool around. Then when you finish a song go back to Cubase for complex arrangement and crossfades, automation curves and mixing with two screens or stay with the rather simplistic Arrangment view (all manual automation, no crossfades, fixed window) and bounce to disc from whatever you prefer (Live comes with POW-R dithering which some find superior).
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I have SX3 and Live 7 Suite (joined Live at Live 6).
Cubase has better MIDI editing, better audio editing, crossfades with nice preset and draggable curves, nicer mixer windows, proper dual monitor support, and arguably, a smoother looking GUI. It is also able to handle more tracks and plugins and uses a noticeable amount less memory and CPU power than Live. What it doesn't have is any kind of inspiration or fun factor which motivates you. It also has .omf, .broadcast wave a pile more file format and video/broadcast features *Live is catching up on the video side of things though with each release after L6* A blank Cubase template is the most depressing sight in the world with no inspiration to start writing songs.
Live - timestretching and beatmatching much easier to handle, especially on variable tempo tracks (Cubase has a better algorithm but is a PITA to work with, warping in Cubase takes forever), session view is just so inspirational for setting up arrangements quickly, you can audition clips on the fly, drag and drop samples, fx racks, synths and stuff on the fly, clip envelopes is a fun way to do fast freaky editing, plus if you get the Suite you get a wider palette of sounds in Live than Cubase's inbuilt synths (especially in SX3, where A1 is just about the only semi usable synth and 2 reasonable pad sounds in Embracer, thankfully C4 improves on this), Live's routing is more flexible than SX3, which has grouping but restrictions, such as not being able to send any group channel other than the top one to another group channel etc. Live 7 also has sidechaining (yes, Cubase 4.1 finally addresses it too but only within it's internal VST3 plugin architecture, SX3 can be worked around for sidechaining but it's a PITA). Live's FREEZE track function also works properly, unlike SX3's freeze which kind of partially works but is frustrating.
There's always Rewire and/or exporting audio channels from one to another, they actually compliment each other quite well because Cubase has all the annoying DAW features missing in Live and Live is the inspiration and coolest arrrangement tool and gives you a lot of remix flexibility which Cubase's play order system only scratches at.
Unless Live 8 includes a lot of things such as inline MIDI editing, crossfades on arrangement with proper bezier curves, folder tracks, proper dual monitor support and increased file compatibility etc (e.g. .omf, .mp3/aac/ogg export, bwf etc), a score editor (Cubase 4's score editor is pretty good, you wouldn't chuck away Sibelius, but it is good for in the box DAW stuff and better than SX3's score editor) etc you would be better to keep Cubase around. I do, but I probably use Live exclusively 85-90% of the time these days.
Cubase has better MIDI editing, better audio editing, crossfades with nice preset and draggable curves, nicer mixer windows, proper dual monitor support, and arguably, a smoother looking GUI. It is also able to handle more tracks and plugins and uses a noticeable amount less memory and CPU power than Live. What it doesn't have is any kind of inspiration or fun factor which motivates you. It also has .omf, .broadcast wave a pile more file format and video/broadcast features *Live is catching up on the video side of things though with each release after L6* A blank Cubase template is the most depressing sight in the world with no inspiration to start writing songs.
Live - timestretching and beatmatching much easier to handle, especially on variable tempo tracks (Cubase has a better algorithm but is a PITA to work with, warping in Cubase takes forever), session view is just so inspirational for setting up arrangements quickly, you can audition clips on the fly, drag and drop samples, fx racks, synths and stuff on the fly, clip envelopes is a fun way to do fast freaky editing, plus if you get the Suite you get a wider palette of sounds in Live than Cubase's inbuilt synths (especially in SX3, where A1 is just about the only semi usable synth and 2 reasonable pad sounds in Embracer, thankfully C4 improves on this), Live's routing is more flexible than SX3, which has grouping but restrictions, such as not being able to send any group channel other than the top one to another group channel etc. Live 7 also has sidechaining (yes, Cubase 4.1 finally addresses it too but only within it's internal VST3 plugin architecture, SX3 can be worked around for sidechaining but it's a PITA). Live's FREEZE track function also works properly, unlike SX3's freeze which kind of partially works but is frustrating.
There's always Rewire and/or exporting audio channels from one to another, they actually compliment each other quite well because Cubase has all the annoying DAW features missing in Live and Live is the inspiration and coolest arrrangement tool and gives you a lot of remix flexibility which Cubase's play order system only scratches at.
Unless Live 8 includes a lot of things such as inline MIDI editing, crossfades on arrangement with proper bezier curves, folder tracks, proper dual monitor support and increased file compatibility etc (e.g. .omf, .mp3/aac/ogg export, bwf etc), a score editor (Cubase 4's score editor is pretty good, you wouldn't chuck away Sibelius, but it is good for in the box DAW stuff and better than SX3's score editor) etc you would be better to keep Cubase around. I do, but I probably use Live exclusively 85-90% of the time these days.
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until you want to crossfade something
or fade something in
or mix something properly...
if you dont want to do any of that youre cool...
that slice to midi thing though and the racks n all are pretty good though...
it crashes like a cunt though if you use it a lot..
its NOT stable...
it does however nearly always recover your work...
or fade something in
or mix something properly...
if you dont want to do any of that youre cool...
that slice to midi thing though and the racks n all are pretty good though...
it crashes like a cunt though if you use it a lot..
its NOT stable...
it does however nearly always recover your work...