Possibly the greatest application of live looping EVAR!

chapelier fou · Post by **chapelier fou** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:19 pm

As far as I know, there is a huge bug in synchronizing the rc 50 with something else... But in itself, it is a very good looper.

elxicano · Post by **elxicano** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:05 pm

Damn pretty nice how far they take it... I know this came up before about having something similar built into Live. Seeing it in action makes me wish this were possible as a Live feature.

A couple parts the timing is off just a bit, but its still musical and only adds to the flavor.

Very well done.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:30 pm

while it works for dosh, i just don't find any of the HW options flexible enough for what i need, so i use mobius. but i think the EH 2880 is really nice if -- big if -- you can live w/o being able to switch between loops (i can't).

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:40 pm

My favourite Dosh video is this one, it has the same saxamaphone guy on it

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uvW3ubCZAU4&fmt=18

jah4life · Post by **jah4life** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:49 pm

yeah dosh definitely still uses the Akai Headrush. Actually he uses many of them to get different loops/sections going, and I have also seen pictures of him with the Electro-Harmonix 2880 looper. and yes, that's a boss sampler, an sp303 or the like.

I've heard him mention ableton in interviews, but he said something like he's so set in his ways, he just hasn't tried it yet.

Also check out andrew bird. also a great live looper, and dosh works with him alot.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:52 am

so i've been looking around to find something out about how dosh or bird go about it. apparently, they use multiple loop pedals. but i'm not really sure what that gets you (i've occasionally used one fed into another, but it doesn't get you A/B sections, which dosh suggests in interviews is why he uses multiple pedals). i assume they're not using them in series, though that could be cool, but separately for A/B sections. but then it seems you'd still have to kick one off and kick the other on at same time, which neither seems to be doing (i suppose dosh could be and i'm not picking up on it). also seems like this would require breaks of sorts while you gear the next section up (which dosh seems to be doing), which would make some of the SW options more attractive. anyone know the details?

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:57 am

nevermind, this covers much of it:

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/05/a-d ... polyr.html

jah4life · Post by **jah4life** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:16 am

sending different loops to different loop pedals, then manually switching between each. the mixer is key for this, it looks like he routes the effects sends to one or more headrushes and other effects, and then he has another headrush in series, after the effects sends, as a main looper.

the akai headrush also has a sort of "undo" function in which you lay down 1 loop and then the subsequent overdubs can be written onto that loop or you can undo that back the the 1st loop and add a new overdub. This makes for some possibilities too.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:52 pm

thx much for the info (i think i'm going to have to just set my various loopers up like this and see how it works, cause i still can quite get how it would get me much, if anything, beyond what i can do with mobius).

jah4life · Post by **jah4life** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:18 pm

Honestly it does NOT seem like this method would get you anywhere as deep or complex as Mobius or Ableton can. I think the deal with Dosh is that he just developed this method with the hardware he had available, starting with a single Akai headrush pedal (by the way he now uses both the original and e2 versions), eventually expanding outward from that idea. I don't think he's even tried Mobius or Ableton, since as he says in the above posted interview, "I'm just kinda set in my ways".

It's just working within set limitations, which leads to developing a solid technique, and a really cool, often unique sound.

I'd love to hear some results when you try this out!