what do you *actually* expect in Live 8?

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:56 am

Action Jackson wrote:Since Live is pretty much in the same price range as Logic Studio, I'd expect them to match Logic as far as features are concerned. Surround mixing and export (Dolby Digital AC-3 encoding) are the first that come to mind. And more audio editing features.

that's a strange way to judge it

NI Komplete is double the price, you don't expect that from them do you?

in fact your post probably is a really good illustration of why Live should have maybe focused ONLY on live features and not even go there on DAW things - becuause by making themselves a DAW then people expect certain things that all other DAWs provide - and every one of those requests is a distraction from the original purpose of a LIVE application

Homebelly · Post by **Homebelly** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:32 am

forge wrote:
Action Jackson wrote:Since Live is pretty much in the same price range as Logic Studio, I'd expect them to match Logic as far as features are concerned. Surround mixing and export (Dolby Digital AC-3 encoding) are the first that come to mind. And more audio editing features.
that's a strange way to judge it

NI Komplete is double the price, you don't expect that from them do you?

in fact your post probably is a really good illustration of why Live should have maybe focused ONLY on live features and not even go there on DAW things - becuause by making themselves a DAW then people expect certain things that all other DAWs provide - and every one of those requests is a distraction from the original purpose of a LIVE application

+1

zakary · Post by **zakary** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:53 am

1. SNAPSHOT / STATE feature in order to capture the state of the settings you have at a given time and recall them realtime at anytime at a press of a button.

Example1: you have a delay effect with different delay times you'd like to alternate as you track is playing.
Example2: different settings of your soft synth or even different patches of your synth.
Example3: you have a number of clips playing (not in the same scene) and then change to another number of clips.

In general, something to capture the state of settings in live you've done up to that point. Preferably the ability to capture as many states as possible and recall them by pressing a button.

2. folder tracks (grouping)
3. record automation in session clips

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:04 am

An important question is how Live 8 will stand up against some of the recent updates to the competition. For example, the ACID Pro 7 update is HUGE. Also Pro Tools 8 is HUGE (and Digidesign have now got all the elastic audio, warp markers stuff done even better than Ableton). These updates are larger than their predecessors in scope, and I wonder whether Ableton can sijmilarly come up with something that will grab the headlines.

I suspect that they will not, because they seem to have become a little more entrenched in their attitude over the last couple of years, and I don't expect to see much change from *them* as a company.

Anyway, ... I do expect to see:

* a vocoder!
* groove quantise
* dual monitor support
* 128 VST parameters selectable
* new timestretch (?elastique pro)
* Improvements to External Instrument (i.e. MIDI CC stuff)

I'm guessing we *might* see (but will probably have to wait for Live 9):

* MIDI timing issue solved (they would rather keep refering you to the MIDI fact sheet and ignore it)
* auto-cross fades
* folder tracks

I'm guessing a longer wait for:

* OSC
* Better MIDI sequencing
* Rewire slave/VST support issue
* surround mixing

ilia · Post by **ilia** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:24 am

yeah, I'm expecting arrange cross-fades and grouping. would be pretty embarrassing if those don't make it into the next version (AGAIN).

Action Jackson · Post by **Action Jackson** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:11 am

forge wrote:
that's a strange way to judge it

NI Komplete is double the price, you don't expect that from them do you?

in fact your post probably is a really good illustration of why Live should have maybe focused ONLY on live features and not even go there on DAW things - becuause by making themselves a DAW then people expect certain things that all other DAWs provide - and every one of those requests is a distraction from the original purpose of a LIVE application

Since NI Komplete is not a DAW I wouldn't expect that from them, but Logic and Live are both DAWs and IMO it's fair to expect similar features. After all, Logic Studio has live features added to it, so why not add more DAW features to Live? But I could be wrong about this, and probably I am. I'll wait and see what new features they add to Live and then make my decision on what I will spend my money on, a Live upgrade or Logic Studio.

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:53 am

Action Jackson wrote:
forge wrote:
that's a strange way to judge it

NI Komplete is double the price, you don't expect that from them do you?

in fact your post probably is a really good illustration of why Live should have maybe focused ONLY on live features and not even go there on DAW things - becuause by making themselves a DAW then people expect certain things that all other DAWs provide - and every one of those requests is a distraction from the original purpose of a LIVE application
Since NI Komplete is not a DAW I wouldn't expect that from them, but Logic and Live are both DAWs and IMO it's fair to expect similar features. After all, Logic Studio has live features added to it, so why not add more DAW features to Live? But I could be wrong about this, and probably I am. I'll wait and see what new features they add to Live and then make my decision on what I will spend my money on, a Live upgrade or Logic Studio.

well yeah Ableton are going after the DAW market too, but their flagship product was originally for Live performance, which is a different paradigm

and I think that is exactly the point - by competing then they get comments like yours about certain features being essential - so they have to put time and energy into developing them that they can't put into developing Live features

competing with the other DAWs is a major can of worms for a program intended for Live use - hence the reason a lot of people question how far they should go with video - as soon as they go past a certain point then they will be flooded with feature requests for features that Arkaos has etc etc.....

ollyb303 · Post by **ollyb303** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:03 am

stable midi clock.

that's the only thing that bothers me at the moment and it really needs fixing.

chrisedmo · Post by **chrisedmo** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:04 am

I reckon they are going to go back to their roots of being a live performance tool.. the last update was very much catching up with other DAW's and i remember reading an article ages ago with Gerhard explaining something about going back to where they started ?

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:07 am

chrisedmo wrote:I reckon they are going to go back to their roots of being a live performance tool.. the last update was very much catching up with other DAW's and i remember reading an article ages ago with Gerhard explaining something about going back to where they started ?

any idea where the article was?

Crash · Post by **Crash** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:12 am

ollyb303 wrote:stable midi clock.

that's the only thing that bothers me at the moment and it really needs fixing.

Yes, it does, but it wont happen, because your current perception of Live's Midi Clock is pure fiction!

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98876

chrisedmo · Post by **chrisedmo** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:19 am

forge wrote:
chrisedmo wrote:I reckon they are going to go back to their roots of being a live performance tool.. the last update was very much catching up with other DAW's and i remember reading an article ages ago with Gerhard explaining something about going back to where they started ?
any idea where the article was?

Yeah it was in the last futuremusic or computer music "ableton live special" there was an interview with Gerhard at the front...

http://steelberryclones.wordpress.com/2 ... -magazine/

nonnus · Post by **nonnus** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:43 am

officially supported live api, timecode clip control, improved midi engine and midi mapping for all functionality

not that much to expect, is it ?

ytsek · Post by **ytsek** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:11 pm

SYSX support... Maybe in external instrument?

Select on launch adjustable per session slot or clip.

spkey · Post by **spkey** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:13 pm

Improvements on Reverb?