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Post by drumroll57 » Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:20 pm

DjDEMO wrote:I realize I'm in the minority being a conservative musician. Lol...funny how that happened. Although, I'm not sure why its like that. I mean, everyone loves music.
I particularly love the sound of all the conservative bombs my tax $$ helped buy raining on Fallujah. (what do they help conserve?) The sweet music of all those people's death throes, which you will never hear on Fox-News.

I am feeling so excited at the prospect of us bringing these people "Freedom™" (or death, or dismemberment) They should thank us, we know better.

I feel especially proud to be associated with a president and an administration who have such a high sense of 'Values', yet don't hesitate to kill and maim others at will in an arbitraty and wanton way, when the rest of the world (although far more experienced and long lasting civilzations) doesn't agree with any of it.

They are more concerned with someone exposing their breast on prime-time TV than the gross obscenity of the type of civilian mass slaughter that has been taking place in Iraq (what should we call it: "Collateral Damage"?)

Don't you even feel ashamed, or get a sense that a whole half of the country is getting bamboozled, brainwashed and manipulated for reasons that truly have no logic in them, and that in the end we do not know anything about? Such as, if you're trying to fight terrorism (who doesn't want to?..), why create the exact conditions to allow it to fester, and THAT YOU WERE WARNED ABOUT IN ADVANCE NOT TO DO, such as destabilizing a country like Iraq?

It boogles the imagination. The narrow-mindedness, self-assured manner of it can only be attributed to the kind of "yes" / "no" , "Black" / "White", "You're either with us or against us" simpleton mentality that brings out the worst in human nature. Study history. There are parallels.

And for all of those who equate all of America with it, I would like to make sure that they are amply reminded that New York City voted 82% for Kerry (or shouid I say AGAINST BUSH?), and that large portions of the US were ashamed of what has been taking place. 57 millions to be a bit more precise.

Great! "Support Our Troops" bumper-stickers on your gas-guzzling SUV (the type of wasteful vehicle that has been proven in studies to be appealing to those with deep fears and insecurities) Why should we support them arbitrarily? Aren't there some standards of universal morality, decency and the likes that they should be held accountable to?

Or does going to prayer and confession on Sunday absolve all of the religious fundamentalist neo-cons making US policy now, for all their so-called "values" which reek of the worst in humanity, and shame many of us to be bundled with them.

Should I bring out the map showing an all-too-exact parallel between the states that supported slavery in the last century and those for voted for Bush today?

I know. Another coincidence. Would you like coffee or blood with your wake-up call?

Please. Not all Americans have lost their collective minds, either to this kind of mindless 'conservative values' zombification, or the liberal knee-jerk reactions against them, which is just as pathetic.

Spending a QUARTER OF A TRILLION DOLLARS of borrowed money (we don't have it) to bomb sand dunes into yet finer grains. Instead of fighting REAL terrorism where it was, and beefing up security back home, and generally helping with all of the social and educational programs we so desperately need!!!!

Go back to making music, then.... maybe I was just having a bad dream. I should just my Prozacs and forget I even said this.

Comply. Obey. Support.

DON'T YOU SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING???

D.
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Post by DjDEMO » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:35 pm

Special Ed...

You accuse GW of being close minded....well, reread some of your posts. Anyone who doesnt agree with you is a piece of shit as you call them. Hmmm... And you seem to be the only one being that extreme. The rest of us can at least show respect..even when completely disagreeing.

Again I ask you...did you have this passion when Saddam was torturing Iraqis for decades? Answer that. Or how about when Clinton didnt do anything about Rwanda? I want to know if your rants are really just an anti GW thing.

How did you feel when 9/11 happened? You going to tell me 3000 people killed for going to work that day wasnt a bad thing? I had friends there...they had NOTHING to do with this and they die. For what? Its the same as the innocent Iraqi's who have been killed. Innocent people on both sides are paying the price for their countries politics... YEt for some reason you seem to feel that us Americans deserved it. They deserved it no more than the Iraqi's who died because ofwhat Saddam did.

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Post by drumroll57 » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:43 pm

DjDEMO wrote: You going to tell me 3000 people killed for going to work that day wasnt a bad thing? .
Does that give the US government the right to kill over 100,000 innocent civilians (even 50,000) in Iraq?

Will you finally admit that Iraq (secular, non-religious) had nothing whatsof*cking ever to do with Al-Qaeda? That the intelligence that they used was completely flawed, wrong, mistaken? That NOW we are on the verge of making it become an islamic republic?

As a New Yorker, I can certainly relate to those 3,000 who perished, friends who lost family members and all....

Does that give us a license to go and bash others for NO REASON WHATSOEVER???

If you want to go to the root of all evil, let's go to North Korea (has nuclear weapons), and so on. Should have maintained the noose on Afghanistan and pursed it until we got OBL...

Be logical. This makes no sense. You are merely regurgitating a canned, mediatized 'spun' point of view.

Travel a bit. See what other people are like. Think for yourself.

It will make itself very clear what is totally, utterly ludicrous about our neo-con foreign policy....

D.
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Post by krikor » Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:46 pm

this doesn't make any sense
DEMO doesn't seem to be really aware of what's surrounding him, or maybe he is really not trying.
We should stop to loose our precious time by answering to his post.
I feel bad for those who voted for Kerry though but as Michael Moore wrote on his website:
over 55 million Americans voted for the candidate dubbed "The #1 Liberal in the Senate." That's more than the total number of voters who voted for either Reagan, Bush I, Clinton or Gore.
Again, more people voted for Kerry than Reagan. If the media are looking for a trend it should be this -- that so many Americans were, for the first time since Kennedy, willing to vote for an out-and-out liberal. The country has always been filled with evangelicals -- that is not news. What IS news is that so many people have shifted toward a Massachusetts liberal. In fact, that's BIG news. Which means, don't expect the mainstream media, the ones who brought you the Iraq War, to ever report the real truth about November 2, 2004. In fact, it's better that they don't. We'll need the element of surprise in 2008
DEMO stop watching CNN and COPS and make some beats hehehehe :mrgreen:

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Post by DjDEMO » Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:38 pm

Drumroll and Krikor,

YES...I do admit Iraq did NOT have strong ties with Al Qaeda. I never bought that reason for going in there. But I am glad Saddam Hussein is out of power, AND lets get one thing straight. The US did not go into Iraq to intentionally kill civilians. It unfortunately happens when a war is taking place in towns and cities. Its aweful..but I dont think it is 100% avoidable. Now, when Al Qaeda hit NYC...the INTENT was to kill civilians. Big difference.

I do see what is going on. There is not one side to this. There are many sides. You take one side, and I take another. Who is to say who is right???

To tell you the truth, I wish Iraq had never happened. The way I see it..if the Iraqis wanted freedom, then it was up to them to rise up and fight for it. I AGREE with you guys...we should have taken Saddam out and gotten out. But now it's got to be finished. I dont think anyone would disagree that leaving would be the worst possible scenario.

Well, your right...time to make some beats.

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Post by krusty » Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:06 am

"we should have taken Saddam out and gotten out"

What are you Tom motherfucking Clancy??? Yeah maybe we should have sent in robot monkeys with exploding bananas to "take him out"

Or better yet...lets send these monkeys to "take out" Osama Bin Ladin (THE GUY WHO TAKES RESPONSIBILTY FOR THE 9/11 ATTACKS!!!)

I'm sorry but this is the kind of fiction that goes up my ass. It the very stuff that GWB had rattling around his 666 inch head when it bullied his way into this war.

Also, didn't you threaten to leave this forum in your very first post? I'm not saying I want you to I'm just wondering....

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Post by forge » Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:11 am

krusty wrote:"we should have taken Saddam out and gotten out"

What are you Tom motherfucking Clancy??? Yeah maybe we should have sent in robot monkeys with exploding bananas to "take him out"

Or better yet...lets send these monkeys to "take out" Osama Bin Ladin (THE GUY WHO TAKES RESPONSIBILTY FOR THE 9/11 ATTACKS!!!)

I'm sorry but this is the kind of fiction that goes up my ass. It the very stuff that GWB had rattling around his 666 inch head when it bullied his way into this war.

Also, didn't you threaten to leave this forum in your very first post? I'm not saying I want you to I'm just wondering....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by special ed » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:30 am

rikhyray


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Ed you definitely special,
i know, thats what my mommy says.

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Post by special ed » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:54 am

did you have this passion when Saddam was torturing Iraqis for decades?
i was ten years old at the time and didnt know anything about politics, so i guess the answer is no. however i was shocked and ashamed to discover that it was the u.s. that gave him those abilities, knowing what kind of piece of shite he was.
how about when Clinton didnt do anything about Rwanda?
at that time i was a pot smoking high school reject trying to avoid getting harrassed by bullies and authority figures, so i guess the answer would be no again. however i was shocked and ashamed to discover that the c.i.a. planted the seeds for that chaos when gHwb was a c.i.a. head.
I want to know if your rants are really just an anti GW thing.
i guess i hate the whole administration, and i see that the players have been in the game for decades doing this stuff. so its really more than just anti gw hype.
How did you feel when 9/11 happened?
i was shocked but i wasnt surprised, as i had a prophetic inclination of it 8 months prior.
You going to tell me 3000 people killed for going to work that day wasnt a bad thing?
i guess it depends on what the job is, if its a job that contributes to the economic imbalance between rich and poor, you probably wont like my answer. but if their work was about bringing economic balance and fairness, they should not be killed. that particular region was primarily part of the economic industry, so whatever side of greed or giving they fell under, i dont know.
YEt for some reason you seem to feel that us Americans deserved it. They deserved it no more than the Iraqi's who died because ofwhat Saddam did.
that one there you make a good point, and i will not dispute it.

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Post by forge » Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:49 am

special ed wrote:
rikhyray


Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:50 pm    Post subject:


Ed you definitely special,
i know, thats what my mommy says.
:lol: aww! cutey cutey

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Post by pax » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:00 am

I find it very interesting, in the history of the United States... That during the Salem Witch trials the children said the Devil appeared to them as a dark-skinned Indian figure.

If you look at history, the mass-hysteria that produced at that time (indians were doing raids on towns surrounding Salem)...

Now that the Indian's are all dead or on relatively harmless casinos, the question remains... Who was terrorizing who?

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Post by special ed » Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:04 am

forge


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special ed wrote:


Quote:

rikhyray


Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:50 pm    Post subject:


Ed you definitely special,


i know, thats what my mommy says.


aww! cutey cutey
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Post by forge » Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:25 am

pax wrote:I find it very interesting, in the history of the United States... That during the Salem Witch trials the children said the Devil appeared to them as a dark-skinned Indian figure.

If you look at history, the mass-hysteria that produced at that time (indians were doing raids on towns surrounding Salem)...

Now that the Indian's are all dead or on relatively harmless casinos, the question remains... Who was terrorizing who?
very nicely put

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Post by AdamJay » Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:04 am

wow, interesting thread.
i've been out of town and just got back so i havent had time to read it all...
so i'll only say this.....

there is no anti-americanism going on here.
I love my country, its the nation that i am worried about.

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Post by fatrabbit » Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:02 pm

DjDEMO wrote: To tell you the truth, I wish Iraq had never happened. The way I see it..if the Iraqis wanted freedom, then it was up to them to rise up and fight for it. I AGREE with you guys...we should have taken Saddam out and gotten
The thing is, they DID rise up, attempting to get Saddam out right after the first Iraq war, but the Allies failed to provide support (whether that be logistical or military) and many died.

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