new MacBook and MacBook Pro on Tuesday, October 14th

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:20 am

Is the Plastic Macbook of the new series carrying a FW400?

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Broken Chip · Post by **Broken Chip** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:15 am

Pasha wrote:Is the Plastic Macbook of the new series carrying a FW400?

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yes it does.
At least they have something on offer that is low end with firewire.

Crash · Post by **Crash** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:04 am

the_planet wrote:Tap to click is a REAL motherfucker when using DAW stuff.

It is not "Tap to click" on the new ones, but "Push to click". You don't have to lift your finger. That should be quite a good experience for dragging stuff especially because the bigger area should provide more fine-control. I've never been comfortable with the small areas and always prefered a mouse, let's see how these new things work out.

dbolt · Post by **dbolt** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:02 am

Tell if this would be a problem.... If I purchased a new Macbook Pro with only FW800.. and I have a Glyph HD and a Alesis Mulit FW16 FW400 Audio Interface and daisy chain the Alesis behind the Glyph.... Would this create lots of latency? Will this even work?

Maybe FS----Practically a brand new Macbook Pro early 08 model...
Specs: I can get more detail if need to be
15in
2.5g
6Mb Cache
800Mhz
4g Ram
200g HD (7200) internal
Nvidia Gforce 8600 GT 512mb
Glossy LCD Screen
Mulit Gesture Trackpad with button... you know it came out right before these new ones....

I could also throw in some software that will be transferable...... PM me if anyone is interested.....

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:25 am

Pasha wrote:Is the Plastic Macbook of the new series carrying a FW400?

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- Pasha

The plastic MacBook is the old plastic MacBook with a few minor upgrades, so yes it still has FW400. So its not like Apple have totally screwed all of us that use Mac's for music - the plastic MacBook will be around for a while at least.

Alexiel Mureaux · Post by **Alexiel Mureaux** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:57 am

Hey guys, got a question, which hard drive would be better a 7200 rpm or a solid-state, sorry for asking such a question, but I guess the 320 gb 7200 rpm might be better or?

Crash · Post by **Crash** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:05 am

dbolt wrote:Tell if this would be a problem.... If I purchased a new Macbook Pro with only FW800.. and I have a Glyph HD and a Alesis Mulit FW16 FW400 Audio Interface and daisy chain the Alesis behind the Glyph.... Would this create lots of latency? Will this even work?

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 862#768862

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:16 am

jonny72 wrote:
Pasha wrote:Is the Plastic Macbook of the new series carrying a FW400?

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- Pasha
The plastic MacBook is the old plastic MacBook with a few minor upgrades, so yes it still has FW400. So its not like Apple have totally screwed all of us that use Mac's for music - the plastic MacBook will be around for a while at least.

By judging from the specialized press, every Video-Audio amateur,semi-pro is complaining. If we can stir the waters, maybe though Ableton Forum I think we could change something for the next revision in 2009.

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- Pasha

dbolt · Post by **dbolt** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:20 am

thanks for that Crash.. That makes a lot sense...

Maybe FS----Practically a brand new Macbook Pro early 08 model...
Specs: I can get more detail if need to be
15in
2.5g
6Mb Cache
800Mhz
4g Ram
200g HD (7200) internal
Nvidia Gforce 8600 GT 512mb
Glossy LCD Screen
Mulit Gesture Trackpad with button... you know it came out right before these new ones....

I could also throw in some software that will be transferable...... PM me if anyone is interested.....

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:21 am

Pasha wrote:
jonny72 wrote:
Pasha wrote:Is the Plastic Macbook of the new series carrying a FW400?

- Best
- Pasha
The plastic MacBook is the old plastic MacBook with a few minor upgrades, so yes it still has FW400. So its not like Apple have totally screwed all of us that use Mac's for music - the plastic MacBook will be around for a while at least.
By judging from the specialized press, every Video-Audio amateur,semi-pro is complaining. If we can stir the waters, maybe though Ableton Forum I think we could change something for the next revision in 2009.

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- Pasha

It looks like Apple is making a bid for the mainstream. In doing that its going to have to jettison the love for the tiny niche markets its formerly championed, ie design/audio.

Its pretty funny seeing so many fanboys waking up to the idea that Apple is a public company that has to please its shareholders above all else.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:56 am

adventurepants_ wrote:It looks like Apple is making a bid for the mainstream. In doing that its going to have to jettison the love for the tiny niche markets its formerly championed, ie design/audio.

Its pretty funny seeing so many fanboys waking up to the idea that Apple is a public company that has to please its shareholders above all else.

Ummm... they're doing that by increasing prices? In the same week where everyone's screaming about recession?

Nah. You know, when Steve Jobs left Apple the first time around, he founded a company called NeXT that made the NeXTComputer. The NeXTComputer's case was a a perfect magnesium cube, built in an newly constructed, 100% automated factory so that it would be untouched by human hands. It also dropped the floppy drive, 10 years before the iMac, and had a built-in digital signal processor so it could do two (if not four) channels of CD quality sound at a time when CDs were still new...

When NeXT first started speccing out their computer, it was to be priced at 3500 USD as that was what the average college student would be spending on a computer back then in'86 or '87. Before the software was done and those black perfect magnesium cubes rolled off the assembly line untouched by human hands, however, the cost had increased to 10,000.

Does this sound at all familiar to you? Jobs was bragging about how Apple are now making all of their motherboards themselves. They might have shareholders and a board of directors, but it's still Steve Jobs that runs Apple.

TBH I don't think you have to look very far for the reason the new McBooks don't have Firewire: we are talking about this man, after all. I really think it's that having two kinds of connectors on the side of the computer is something that fundamentally disagrees with Steve Jobs... and nobody was able to talk him out of it this time.

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:54 pm

jonny72 wrote:
Pasha wrote:Is the Plastic Macbook of the new series carrying a FW400?

- Best
- Pasha
The plastic MacBook is the old plastic MacBook with a few minor upgrades, so yes it still has FW400. So its not like Apple have totally screwed all of us that use Mac's for music - the plastic MacBook will be around for a while at least.

Maybe I'm missing something, but this doesn't appear to be the case in the States. The old plastic MacBooks are nowhere to be found on Apple's website.

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:10 pm

Hidden Driveways wrote:
jonny72 wrote:
Pasha wrote:Is the Plastic Macbook of the new series carrying a FW400?

- Best
- Pasha
The plastic MacBook is the old plastic MacBook with a few minor upgrades, so yes it still has FW400. So its not like Apple have totally screwed all of us that use Mac's for music - the plastic MacBook will be around for a while at least.
Maybe I'm missing something, but this doesn't appear to be the case in the States. The old plastic MacBooks are nowhere to be found on Apple's website.

There is just the one model, must be there somewhere as they announced the price cut (in the US) in the presentation.

Edit : It is on the same page in the shop as the new MacBooks.

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:15 pm

Pasha wrote:By judging from the specialized press, every Video-Audio amateur,semi-pro is complaining. If we can stir the waters, maybe though Ableton Forum I think we could change something for the next revision in 2009.

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- Pasha

Can't see anything making any difference.

Besides you can get a MacBook Pro or the old plastic MacBook, so is it really a problem? Do you really want to spend $1300 on a new MacBook? I don't.

oblique strategies · Post by **oblique strategies** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:40 pm

Matte screen fans - there is a possible cure for the glossy screen:

"However, since the displays are a single span of glass, there’s an easy solution for fans of anti-glare-coated displays: if they don’t already, companies will no doubt begin to make screen protectors, like those already available for the iPhone, that you can apply to your display in order to remove the shine and return an old-school matte finish. Yeah, it’ll be more work and more cost, but it’s not as if there isn’t an option out there if you just can’t stand the glossy look."
~Macworld

However there is a rebuttal that sums it up fairly well:
"Yes, those of us who rely on matte finish displays in their day to day creative work are very mad and no amount of screen protector is going to mitigate that! The mere thought of putting a screen protector over a display screen in order to achieve a matte finish is ludicrous. Can you imagine explaining to a client, "this bubble here won't be in your image, it is just the screen protector."

Wrong! With each release of a new MacBook Pro, Apple moves farther and farther from the creative community and closer to the consumer. Apple should remove the word "Pro" from the name. Someone mentioned MacBook Plus. That is a better description. There's very little "Pro" about this new notebook."