new MacBook and MacBook Pro on Tuesday, October 14th

oblique strategies · Post by **oblique strategies** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:56 pm

Macbook users:
Another ramification of not having a firewire port:

"The new MacBook, like the MacBook Air, lacks a FireWire port entirely. What this means is that the old laptop data-transfer standby known as Target Disk Mode—enabled by holding down the T key upon startup, allowing your laptop’s hard drive to appear as an external hard drive when plugged in to another computer—is gone. And there’s no USB equivalent of Target Disk Mode. What this means is, if you’re using Apple’s Migration Assistant to move your data to the new MacBook, you’ll have to transfer your data over the network from your other computer. (The fastest solution: attach via an Ethernet cable and do it direct at full speed.)"
~Macworld

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:08 pm

oblique strategies wrote:Macbook users:
Another ramification of not having a firewire port:

"The new MacBook, like the MacBook Air, lacks a FireWire port entirely. What this means is that the old laptop data-transfer standby known as Target Disk Mode—enabled by holding down the T key upon startup, allowing your laptop’s hard drive to appear as an external hard drive when plugged in to another computer—is gone. And there’s no USB equivalent of Target Disk Mode. What this means is, if you’re using Apple’s Migration Assistant to move your data to the new MacBook, you’ll have to transfer your data over the network from your other computer. (The fastest solution: attach via an Ethernet cable and do it direct at full speed.)"
~Macworld

right, damn... apple really pisses off a hell lot of people this time... i use target disk mode a lot just to transfer stuff quickly... it's so easy and quick to get going...

damn you fucking apple, being an uber loyal customer since over a decade...

i think i would find it less fucked up to drop shitty USB, which i hate anyway... fucking PC technology, damn you apple, damn you... fucking starting to be like shit PCs...

i would love to... arrrghhh, gggrrrr....

but i am shure and seriously hope they will pay for it!!!

Idonotlikebroccoli · Post by **Idonotlikebroccoli** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:13 pm

A Dell is a PC, an Acer is a PC, but an Apple is a Mac? A Creative is an mp3 player, a SanDisk is an mp3 player, but an Apple is an iPod? I'm so sick of that crap ;/

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:21 pm

Idonotlikebroccoli wrote:Apple's machines are PCs too though.

i mean it more in a philosophical way... usb over firewire... shit OS, Office... and the whole crap...

where are the balls from apple... to THINK DIFFERENT. ???

i am really asking myself...

following what people want is always a very bad idea... the majority is uneducated and wants shit. APPLE DAMN IT!!! have balls again and implement your own technology!

damn forget about me, i am just sooo... angry.

robleighton22 · Post by **robleighton22** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:25 pm

who asked for them to cut out firewire? i can understand floppy disks and even more recently cd drives.

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:29 pm

robleighton22 wrote:who asked for them to cut out firewire? i can understand floppy disks and even more recently cd drives.

some complete idiot, obviously!

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:46 pm

noisetonepause wrote:
adventurepants_ wrote:It looks like Apple is making a bid for the mainstream. In doing that its going to have to jettison the love for the tiny niche markets its formerly championed, ie design/audio.

Its pretty funny seeing so many fanboys waking up to the idea that Apple is a public company that has to please its shareholders above all else.
Ummm... they're doing that by increasing prices? In the same week where everyone's screaming about recession?

Nah. You know, when Steve Jobs left Apple the first time around, he founded a company called NeXT that made the NeXTComputer. The NeXTComputer's case was a a perfect magnesium cube, built in an newly constructed, 100% automated factory so that it would be untouched by human hands. It also dropped the floppy drive, 10 years before the iMac, and had a built-in digital signal processor so it could do two (if not four) channels of CD quality sound at a time when CDs were still new...

When NeXT first started speccing out their computer, it was to be priced at 3500 USD as that was what the average college student would be spending on a computer back then in'86 or '87. Before the software was done and those black perfect magnesium cubes rolled off the assembly line untouched by human hands, however, the cost had increased to 10,000.

Does this sound at all familiar to you? Jobs was bragging about how Apple are now making all of their motherboards themselves. They might have shareholders and a board of directors, but it's still Steve Jobs that runs Apple.

TBH I don't think you have to look very far for the reason the new McBooks don't have Firewire: we are talking about this man, after all. I really think it's that having two kinds of connectors on the side of the computer is something that fundamentally disagrees with Steve Jobs... and nobody was able to talk him out of it this time.

thanks for the computer history lesson, but I lived through it too ( I was supporting Macs at the time!) . NeXT as a consumer company was incredibly unsuccessful, even though Jobs made a lot of cash selling the technologies to Apple.

Steve Jobs is some benevolent dictator of Apple, he is entirely accountable to the shareholders. The design/audio segment of the market is incredibly small compared to soccer moms who want a new flashy laptop, and they dont need firewire on the entry level models.

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:52 pm

SubFunk wrote:
oblique strategies wrote:Macbook users:
Another ramification of not having a firewire port:

"The new MacBook, like the MacBook Air, lacks a FireWire port entirely. What this means is that the old laptop data-transfer standby known as Target Disk Mode—enabled by holding down the T key upon startup, allowing your laptop’s hard drive to appear as an external hard drive when plugged in to another computer—is gone. And there’s no USB equivalent of Target Disk Mode. What this means is, if you’re using Apple’s Migration Assistant to move your data to the new MacBook, you’ll have to transfer your data over the network from your other computer. (The fastest solution: attach via an Ethernet cable and do it direct at full speed.)"
~Macworld
right, damn... apple really pisses off a hell lot of people this time... i use target disk mode a lot just to transfer stuff quickly... it's so easy and quick to get going...

damn you fucking apple, being an uber loyal customer since over a decade...

i think i would find it less fucked up to drop shitty USB, which i hate anyway... fucking PC technology, damn you apple, damn you... fucking starting to be like shit PCs...

i would love to... arrrghhh, gggrrrr....

but i am shure and seriously hope they will pay for it!!!

apologies at this point for all the rude words... ranting. i cooled down. (a little)

in respect to doms Sticky: Code of behavior

peace.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:04 pm

adventurepants_ wrote:thanks for the computer history lesson, but I lived through it too ( I was supporting Macs at the time!) . NeXT as a consumer company was incredibly unsuccessful, even though Jobs made a lot of cash selling the technologies to Apple.

NeXT was unsuccesful on pretty much every front until they bought Apple for -400 million

Steve Jobs is some benevolent dictator of Apple, he is entirely accountable to the shareholders.

He's accountable in the legal sense, sure, but I don't think you can compare Apple to most other hardware companies like this. There's a lot more blind faith involved.

The design/audio segment of the market is incredibly small compared to soccer moms who want a new flashy laptop, and they dont need firewire on the entry level models.

I honestly still think it's more about Steve still having his original vision (which I disagree strongly with, for the record) and stick to that as much as he can get away with.

Also, I don't think this soccer strawmum is buying that many McBooks. Students and young (<70) urban professionals are, though.

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:08 pm

noisetonepause wrote: Also, I don't think this soccer strawmum is buying that many McBooks. Students and young (<70) urban professionals are, though.

thats the bit im not sure about. ive had conversations with quite a few older people in the last year who were not Apples traditional demographic showing lots of interest in going Mac. Its those damn 'Im a Mac' ads!

I also think the success of the Ipod is partly driving this too.

dom · Post by **dom** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:11 pm

noisetonepause wrote: I honestly still think it's more about Steve still having his original vision (which I disagree strongly with, for the record) and stick to that as much as he can get away with.

three highly interesting aspects in one sentence.
winner of the day for me.

oblique strategies · Post by **oblique strategies** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:51 am

SubFunk wrote:
SubFunk wrote:
oblique strategies wrote:Macbook users:
Another ramification of not having a firewire port:

"The new MacBook, like the MacBook Air, lacks a FireWire port entirely. What this means is that the old laptop data-transfer standby known as Target Disk Mode—enabled by holding down the T key upon startup, allowing your laptop’s hard drive to appear as an external hard drive when plugged in to another computer—is gone. And there’s no USB equivalent of Target Disk Mode. What this means is, if you’re using Apple’s Migration Assistant to move your data to the new MacBook, you’ll have to transfer your data over the network from your other computer. (The fastest solution: attach via an Ethernet cable and do it direct at full speed.)"
~Macworld
right, damn... apple really pisses off a hell lot of people this time... i use target disk mode a lot just to transfer stuff quickly... it's so easy and quick to get going...

damn you fucking apple, being an uber loyal customer since over a decade...

i think i would find it less fucked up to drop shitty USB, which i hate anyway... fucking PC technology, damn you apple, damn you... fucking starting to be like shit PCs...

i would love to... arrrghhh, gggrrrr....

but i am shure and seriously hope they will pay for it!!!
apologies at this point for all the rude words... ranting. i cooled down. (a little)

in respect to doms Sticky: Code of behavior

peace.

No apologies necessary, you are completely justified. Apple really blew it big time!

Crash · Post by **Crash** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:59 am

According to IFixit the new Macbook Pro uses an LSI FW643 aka Agere chipset. Shouldn't be much of a problem with the FW800 port?! As far as I remember only the FW400 port on the old MBPs were problematic!?

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/ ... nPaqxomeJQ

bartvd · Post by **bartvd** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:15 pm

i am still in for suing them

ive got mac software and firewire hardware.. cant use it anymore with a new macbook.
I have to buy a PRO or other pc.. that sucks..
lots of money wasted on software and hardware. thanks a lot.

Apple you better sleep with your eyes open...

ava · Post by **ava** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:23 pm

im a pc user but I do feel sorry for you guys, as surely it would only cost about £20 extra for apple to include a firewire port??

I was even thinking about going mac, but i don't think so...