The new MacBooks don't have firewire, get over it.

[NativeOps]

Problem #1. I'll never pay good money for a laptop that doesn't have firewire.

Problem #2. I'll never buy a 15" computer because it's too big.


Problem #3. Sorry apple you just lost me as a customer.


I think everyone needs to start crowding towards Linux and start pressing Ableton to support it. Otherwise, I may just completely leave the entire computer production process and go completely with hardware. It's little stupid bullshit that these companies do that make life fucking hell for all of us.

GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!

[SubFunk]

Complaining about it is not going to change anything. No one is forcing you to upgrade, and if you do want to upgrade, you'll have to get a MBP and arguably a better compute anyway. Or get the white MB which is still available and cheap anyway. There's a reason a "PRO" computer might still have connections for a 'pro' level audio interface. If you want a consumer level laptop, you're going to have to get a consumer level audio interface.

That is all.

even i am utterly pissed off about apples move, I AGREE!!!

in the end of the day it is just one model less on the market carrying FW, it's not that FW vanished from the earth.

[Tarekith]

On October 13th, if you wanted an Apple laptop with firewire, you had to get a plastic MacBook or the MacBook Pro.

On October 14th Apple announced a new laptop line, and if you wanted to get an Apple laptop with firewire, you had to get a plastic MacBook or the MacBook Pro.


Yes I know you can't get a black one, and there's very, very slight difference in CPU, but otherwise nothing has changed. There's still a pro option that has everything you need, and if you can't afford that, there's still a cheaper option that has everything you need. It's not like they remotely removed firewire support from all current laptops, or pulled it completely from all their products at once. If anything this is a pretty safe way of letting their customers and peripheral manufacturers know the direction Apple is going to be headed in the future, so they can start planning new products lines or looking at other poducts.

[Pasha]

On October 13th, if you wanted an Apple laptop with firewire, you had to get a plastic MacBook or the MacBook Pro.

On October 14th Apple announced a new laptop line, and if you wanted to get an Apple laptop with firewire, you had to get a plastic MacBook or the MacBook Pro.


Yes I know you can't get a black one, and there's very, very slight difference in CPU, but otherwise nothing has changed. There's still a pro option that has everything you need, and if you can't afford that, there's still a cheaper option that has everything you need. It's not like they remotely removed firewire support from all current laptops, or pulled it completely from all their products at once. If anything this is a pretty safe way of letting their customers and peripheral manufacturers know the direction Apple is going to be headed in the future, so they can start planning new products lines or looking at other poducts.

Good point. However, the presence of FW on the cheap white MacBook is not advertised on the web site, not even in the spec comparison page http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html. It really seems that they do not care a dime about having FW on the Macbook Line. Where did you find evidence of this?

- Best
- Pasha

[Tarekith]

It's on the Apple site, in the store, compare specs on the MacBook, and make sure Complete Specs are shown. Definitely lists firewire.

[mr.adl]

Yes I know you can't get a black one, and there's very, very slight difference in CPU, but otherwise nothing has changed.

There is still a chance of getting it if you hurry now, right? Looking forward to get one of those (with 2,4Ghz) during the next two weeks.

[heavensdaw]

Here you go guys .. Just taken fromhttp://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nclm=CertifiedMac

Seem like some good deals to me..

Hd



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[noisetonepause]

USB doesn't exactly suck, it's just a form factor connection with 12MB/s, 480MB/s and soon 600MB/s data rates...

It's really quite a bit more than that.

[siddhu]

I just found this by a former apple staffer on the original Firewire team:

Andrew Soderberg said 7:55PM on 10-16-2008

"While I lament the loss of FireWire from the new MacBooks (I was Apple's Original FireWire Evangelist from 1991-1993, while it was still code named ChefCat), I understand the reasoning.

The BIG main advantage of FireWire over USB 2 is the isochronous (Same-Time) data handshaking/transfer. Guaranteed data delivery at the time it is needed. This is very important to professional video editors, needing to work with one or more realtime video streams. USB 2 just can't deliver that.

While consumers benefit from FireWire in faster sustained data transfers than USB 2, they don't really take full advantage of FireWire's isochronous capability. 

FireWire does cost more to implement in (chipset, connectors, licenses, etc.) than USB 2, and with everyone clamoring for lower cost MacBooks, something has to give. Also, you may remember the loss of Floppy disk drives, which Apple spearheaded, many a reporter claimed that the tipping point for no-floppy PCs had not come yet. When in fact it had, and Apple saw it and acted on it before everyone else.



Such is the way of FireWire on consumer products (computers and cameras).

Apple will not be removing FireWire from the MacBook Pros or the Mac Pro towers, as these are the workhorses for most media production houses. Until such time as some other much faster peripheral interconnect comes to fruition, with the same or better realtime (isochronous) capability at a lower cost (there are faster interconnects - but much more expensive), FireWire is not going anywhere.

FireWire also has 1600, 3200 modes coming down the pipe as well.

The impact for those of us semi-pro media/video editors, will be that FireWire based external drives may become more expensive as there will not be as large a market for them going forward.



As for Target Disk Mode, all Apple computers have had Gigabit Ethernet for several years now. Apple has made the new MacBook's Migration Assistant work with Ethernet. Gigabit Ethernet is not much slower than FireWire 400 (on sustained data transfers), so I suspect this also made the removal easier, since there is a reasonable alternative."

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/10/16/firewire ... 2#comments

[kaffein]

/me not upgrading I guess...

Just going to load out my current one with 4gigs of ram.

[NativeOps]

looks like the end of the fucking road then. I'm not gonna buy a laptop without firewire, and i'm not gonna buy a huge 15" laptop just so i can have firewire.

the way things are going, i'll be using all hardware and ADAT recorders.

[Crash]

So your "all hardware and ADAT" alternative is more mobile than the "huge 15" laptop"?

[aqua_tek]

On October 13th, if you wanted an Apple laptop with firewire, you had to get a plastic MacBook or the MacBook Pro.

On October 14th Apple announced a new laptop line, and if you wanted to get an Apple laptop with firewire, you had to get a plastic MacBook or the MacBook Pro.

winner.

I'd just buy a white MB while they're still available, or go for the Pro. Do kind of agree, it's a shame that they removed FW400 from the Pro. Would've been nice to have both 400 and 800, as in the previous one. Whatever, by the time my current MBP finally bites the dust, and I decide to get a new one, I'm sure there will have been plenty of other changes to the design.

[Peter Package]

On October 13th, if you wanted an Apple laptop with firewire, you had to get a plastic MacBook or the MacBook Pro.

On October 14th Apple announced a new laptop line, and if you wanted to get an Apple laptop with firewire, you had to get a plastic MacBook or the MacBook Pro.


Yes I know you can't get a black one, and there's very, very slight difference in CPU, but otherwise nothing has changed. There's still a pro option that has everything you need, and if you can't afford that, there's still a cheaper option that has everything you need. It's not like they remotely removed firewire support from all current laptops, or pulled it completely from all their products at once. If anything this is a pretty safe way of letting their customers and peripheral manufacturers know the direction Apple is going to be headed in the future, so they can start planning new products lines or looking at other poducts.

You missed your calling as a press secretary for a corrupt President, as you are very adapt at telling an incomplete, cherry-picked truth in order to get a falsehood past.