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Post by Angstrom » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:14 am

dcease wrote: i have zero faith that obama is "better" or that change will really happen, but it is certainly better than the alternative. if macain/palin represent these people, and this is the view some of the world has of americans (and rightfully so :roll: ), i'd rather obama won, just to piss that kind of person off.
I have to agree with you there.

Obama is just another Tony Blair as far as I can tell, shiny and vacuous conservative politician. But then we don't really have the whole right-wing christian thing over here like you guys do. We have thick people of course, plenty of them, but a slightly different flavour. They don't think they live in Gods own disneyland.

So, having said that it would be good for Obama to get in, just to make some fuckwits explode at the very thought of their new Commie-terror-prez.

So, pure vindictiveness on my part.

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Post by Machinesworking » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:17 am

Here's what she has to say BTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg

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Post by elxicano » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:22 am

Machinesworking wrote:Here's what she has to say BTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
Ha ha... I love this. :D

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Post by elxicano » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:49 am

metafactor wrote:
elxicano wrote:
metafactor wrote: The Soviet Union is alive and well, even trying to gain ground in this country. It's now called, "The United Socialist Republic of Barak Obama". Coming soon to devastate a wallet near you.

So says the desperate and ignorant republican.
Don't be so ignorant to assume so. As a tax paying, property owning citizen, I just happen to care and think enough not to put my vote toward someone who has no record to back his claims. The only record I can find is voting to raise taxes on those who make at least $42k a year (the middle class) and endorsing wasteful spending while in senate. Do your research. Nobody in their right mind would vote for someone on the basis of mere words and charisma, especially when it contradicts their own record. You can argue with me all you want, but the proof is in the record or lack thereof.
Buddy, trust me, I'm not the ignorant one in this conversation, but by all means keep talking...

Do you really think that you're the only tax paying and property owning citizen? Even Wesley Snipes eventually had to pay his taxes, so please leave this out of the discussion because it makes you look like an ass.

Yes McCain is known for voting to cut taxes, but the result was one of the largest deficits at its time. There are such things as fiscal responsibility, and his voting history has proven what he himself has admitted, that he doesn't know much about economics.

McCain does have long track record which includes many reasons not to vote for him. You're right the proof is in the record.

Then you talk about appealing to voters with lack of substance... umm, can you say Palin? Maybe you forget about her the way many of us wish we could, but that's more than enough reason not to vote for their ticket.

I've met and talked with McCain and he is a very charismatic individual... something that does not come across well in television, and while I think he is a decent person one-on-one, I still would not vote for him because of what he stands for, as indicated by his record, his party platform, and his many "off-color" remarks.

I know it must be nice to try and assume that we've all just fallen in love with Obama's charisma and appeal, the way the republican base has done for Palin, but if you actually took a chance to speak to his supporters, you'll find that's not the case. It's just not the same situation as the $150,000.00 spent to make her look appealing to make up for her lack of substance.

Lastly... you still can't back up your socialism claim. If you try, please include how things would be so different since the creation of Income Tax. Also I'd like you to explain the financial bailouts under republican leadership and direction as apart of your explanation.

This whole socialism idea is simply a cheap scare tactic which you've ignorantly bought into. It's simply unfortunate that you fit so neatly into a stereotype of much of the republican voting base.

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Post by infiniteB » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:09 am

metafactor wrote:
elxicano wrote:
metafactor wrote: The Soviet Union is alive and well, even trying to gain ground in this country. It's now called, "The United Socialist Republic of Barak Obama". Coming soon to devastate a wallet near you.

So says the desperate and ignorant republican.
Don't be so ignorant to assume so. As a tax paying, property owning citizen, I just happen to care and think enough not to put my vote toward someone who has no record to back his claims. The only record I can find is voting to raise taxes on those who make at least $42k a year (the middle class) and endorsing wasteful spending while in senate. Do your research. Nobody in their right mind would vote for someone on the basis of mere words and charisma, especially when it contradicts their own record. You can argue with me all you want, but the proof is in the record or lack thereof.
Um, meta, um..... who voted with George Bush 90% of the time... Um, who brought the Clinton-era surplus into a multi-trillion dollar deficit? Um, who voted for the war that has nothing to do with al-quaida (except allowing them to recreuit even more now due to the war).... Um, who would tax YOUR healthcare benefits? Um, who manages his campaign with little platform, and a lot of "scawy scawy man" tactics, terrorist tie suggestions.... Um, nevermind... I'm tired of even talking about this shit... McCain lost. F'em......... We needed change-- good change... and we're gonna get it

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Post by deva » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:20 pm

metafactor wrote:
rjbourc wrote:Sometimes I wish that the Soviet Union still existed so that they could nuke us into oblivion and put us out of our misery.

"Where'd Russia go?" :lol:
The Soviet Union is alive and well, even trying to gain ground in this country. It's now called, "The United Socialist Republic of Barak Obama". Coming soon to devastate a wallet near you.

you do not know what socialism even is.

and Obama? He is middle of the road mix of conservative and liberal and if he was white (full white that is) there would be very little of this sort of 'he's a terrorist' 'a communist' crap. That is nothing but the inherent racism in this country rearing its ugly head.

Obama is gonna win the election, has an unsurmountable lead, is endorsed by a broad range of people including many respected conservatives, and the only thing left for racist fuckheads is some absurd name calling.

Colin Powell has endorsed Obama, but of course Powell is a commie pinko too I suppose... :roll:

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Post by inmazevo » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:29 pm

Angstrom wrote:In the UK, as I suspect in many other countries, elections are fought on vague half truths and 'promises' made by simpering politicians.
It seems in America you go more for incredible outrageous plotlines to drive the voting, like a 50's B movie.

I've found it extra hilarious during this last bit of the US elections to see this 'communist' stuff going round. I get the feeling that about 30% of Americans really believe Obama is a communist arab with a mission to blow up the whitehouse with exploding kittens, but not before he makes every man a homosexual abortionist.

I'm sure I get a skewed picture from the internet. I hope I get a skewed picture from the internet, but really ... gullible doesn't cover it!
Hahaha!!! Love it, angstrom.
That's pretty much how I see it, and I'm IN the states.

My personal favorite (well, not really) is the "obama is the anti-christ" group... you know, the same group that was formerly the "clinton (bill) is the anti-christ" group. I've actually had the pleasure to meet a few of these folks, and... they're serious... they mean it... they believe it. And what was most shocking about it was: on the surface they seem like completely sane and ordinary people, until you talk about religion/politics (same thing for them), and then you're like "oh my God, did you even READ the book?"

He's a terrorist.
He's a socialist.
He's a terrorist.
He's Islamic.
He's a terrorist.
He's a communist.
He's the devil.
He likes gay people.
He wants to kill babies.

Goodness. Broken record... for nearly 20 years now (with a few modifications to fit the current candidate).

That's just... weird.

- zevo
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Post by elxicano » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:39 am

inmazevo wrote:
Angstrom wrote:In the UK, as I suspect in many other countries, elections are fought on vague half truths and 'promises' made by simpering politicians.
It seems in America you go more for incredible outrageous plotlines to drive the voting, like a 50's B movie.

I've found it extra hilarious during this last bit of the US elections to see this 'communist' stuff going round. I get the feeling that about 30% of Americans really believe Obama is a communist arab with a mission to blow up the whitehouse with exploding kittens, but not before he makes every man a homosexual abortionist.

I'm sure I get a skewed picture from the internet. I hope I get a skewed picture from the internet, but really ... gullible doesn't cover it!
Hahaha!!! Love it, angstrom.
That's pretty much how I see it, and I'm IN the states.

My personal favorite (well, not really) is the "obama is the anti-christ" group... you know, the same group that was formerly the "clinton (bill) is the anti-christ" group. I've actually had the pleasure to meet a few of these folks, and... they're serious... they mean it... they believe it. And what was most shocking about it was: on the surface they seem like completely sane and ordinary people, until you talk about religion/politics (same thing for them), and then you're like "oh my God, did you even READ the book?"

He's a terrorist.
He's a socialist.
He's a terrorist.
He's Islamic.
He's a terrorist.
He's a communist.
He's the devil.
He likes gay people.
He wants to kill babies.

Goodness. Broken record... for nearly 20 years now (with a few modifications to fit the current candidate).

That's just... weird.

- zevo


i don't know if weird sums it up... its damn scary! 8O

I've talked to a few myself... its sort of a difficult situation to face how wrong some of these people are, but reason alone won't change anything because their beliefs are so resolute, that nobody could shake them. Crazy and scary...

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Post by metafactor » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:43 am

deva wrote:
metafactor wrote:
rjbourc wrote:Sometimes I wish that the Soviet Union still existed so that they could nuke us into oblivion and put us out of our misery.

"Where'd Russia go?" :lol:
The Soviet Union is alive and well, even trying to gain ground in this country. It's now called, "The United Socialist Republic of Barak Obama". Coming soon to devastate a wallet near you.

you do not know what socialism even is.

and Obama? He is middle of the road mix of conservative and liberal and if he was white (full white that is) there would be very little of this sort of 'he's a terrorist' 'a communist' crap. That is nothing but the inherent racism in this country rearing its ugly head.

Obama is gonna win the election, has an unsurmountable lead, is endorsed by a broad range of people including many respected conservatives, and the only thing left for racist fuckheads is some absurd name calling.

Colin Powell has endorsed Obama, but of course Powell is a commie pinko too I suppose... :roll:
So now it's a race thing huh? Your words, not mine.

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Post by knotkranky » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:53 am

metafactor wrote:
deva wrote:
metafactor wrote: The Soviet Union is alive and well, even trying to gain ground in this country. It's now called, "The United Socialist Republic of Barak Obama". Coming soon to devastate a wallet near you.

you do not know what socialism even is.

and Obama? He is middle of the road mix of conservative and liberal and if he was white (full white that is) there would be very little of this sort of 'he's a terrorist' 'a communist' crap. That is nothing but the inherent racism in this country rearing its ugly head.

Obama is gonna win the election, has an unsurmountable lead, is endorsed by a broad range of people including many respected conservatives, and the only thing left for racist fuckheads is some absurd name calling.

Colin Powell has endorsed Obama, but of course Powell is a commie pinko too I suppose... :roll:
So now it's a race thing huh? Your words, not mine.
No dude, deva talked about racists but didn't say anything about a "race thing". Now they are your words. So, what do you mean about what race thing.

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Post by rjbourc » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:55 am

Religious fundamentalists are scary mofos, no matter where they come from. In the U.S., nobody gives a shit about them unless they hole up in a compound and start killing themselves or if it's an election year. Because if they live in a contested state, their schizophrenic vote counts just as much as or maybe even more than the vote of a Nobel Laureate. So the Republican Party strokes and coddles them to buy their way into power. And as often as not, it works.

The price we pay for a "democrazy". :wink:

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Post by metafactor » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:58 am

So, because I think someone is socialist in their views, that now makes me a racist? Talk about stereotyping. BTW, I think it's interesting that when the great and mighty Colin Powell endorsed his choice, he cited every reason except for experience or record. But we'll just ignore that for now and push it under the rug like we've been doing. Hush hush.

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Post by knotkranky » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:03 am

oui

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Post by elxicano » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:16 am

metafactor wrote:So, because I think someone is socialist in their views, that now makes me a racist? Talk about stereotyping. BTW, I think it's interesting that when the great and mighty Colin Powell endorsed his choice, he cited every reason except for experience or record. But we'll just ignore that for now and push it under the rug like we've been doing. Hush hush.
Seriously, read what you've written a few time before pressing submit. You'd be doing yourself and everyone else a favor.

A few things that you should consider...

Being a socialist is not a matter of opinion... so you "thinking" someone is, says more about you, than you can say about this election or the candidates running.

Great and mighty colin Powell? Lets be real about this... Of course people are ecstatic that he's thrown his support behind Obama, but that is because he is a well respected republican that's been able to articulate his reasons and those reasons are resonating with many undecided voters. There's really not much more to it than that.

No one is pushing anything under the rug, its just there are differing views about what qualifies a person for presidency and in McCain's case, what disqualifies him as being the right individual for the job.

Listen... if you really want to go back and forth, please educate yourself a little bit before writing. I don't mind being in disagreement with someone, just so long as they are knowledgeable about why they believe what they do.

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Post by metafactor » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:02 am

Articulate in his reasoning, without citing a record? Oh wait, Obama has "substance". That's nothing more than fluff. Come on, you can do better than that.

Why don't you educate me on his qualifying accomplishments. You seem to think you're an educated voter. Let's hear it. You can't, can you. That's ok. Just chill, you'll get over it. Pressing submit now.

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