WE WANT LINUX SUPPORT!!!!

six_o_clock_crow · Post by **six_o_clock_crow** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:35 am

My main question on this would be: would Live, running on Linux, make me more creative or productive - what would I get out of Live on Linux that I can't get already?

In the whole of this thread I have seen nothing that convinces me I would get anything. Because for me, Live runs perfectly happily on a Vaio laptop running Windows - once I did a few very basic tweaks to turn off Vista's visual stuff etc.

What I do see in this thread is a lot of arguements for Live on Linux just because people have some ethical problem with using Windows or OSX. If you want to bring down capitalism then I'd suggest going into politics!

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:45 pm

six_o_clock_crow wrote:My main question on this would be: would Live, running on Linux, make me more creative or productive - what would I get out of Live on Linux that I can't get already?

In the whole of this thread I have seen nothing that convinces me I would get anything. Because for me, Live runs perfectly happily on a Vaio laptop running Windows - once I did a few very basic tweaks to turn off Vista's visual stuff etc.

What I do see in this thread is a lot of arguements for Live on Linux just because people have some ethical problem with using Windows or OSX. If you want to bring down capitalism then I'd suggest going into politics!

Live on Linux has been asked several times in this forum.
My personal view about that is that moving to Linux will help people
to have more possibility to chose over Windows or OS X.
However, the answer to the question you posted is probably (having seen the turmoil about FW removal on Macbooks) that you'll get a system that would give you more choices and stability at a more affordable price. I think that people who work on Windows like you do doesn't feel any need to move to Linux. People that do not like Windows and are serious about audio, have been left with the only alternative (after Apple announcement) to go and buy a MPB. We have very good Windows laptops that can be turned into fantastic stable machines via Linux and they have FW, lot of USB ports, expansion slots and most of all they are affordable for the Joe user because they are not luxury items like MBP are.
Sometimes the 'evil corporate' message is back but it depends on very bad behavior of the two main Corporate here: MS and APPLE.

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- Pasha

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:07 am

NativeOps wrote: You're the one who thinks Linux is hard to use, so wouldn't that make you the whiner? The problem is not making the music, it's making the computer obey functions properly between the abyss of corporations and compatibility issues. In other words, I wan the OS to do what I want, not the other way around...

which flavour of linux should they support?

and who is gonna write drivers for all the hardware out there.... you?

at my last job we had labs of linux (instead of running the windows version
or osx version of the software, don't ask me I didn't make that decision)

and it was a tech nightmare.

i'd like to know what planet you are on where linux just works.

sounds nice.

g'luck!

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:14 am

well, windows and apple can be tech nightmares too y'know. We have a network of over 3,000 macs and the techies don't like that very much at all either. Everything fails.

Many companies using Linux as a server do go with established name Linux companies and do have support options. It's the one area Linux competes in, has market share and respectability and ironically, is an area of Linux which is run for profit in most cases.

But you are right about the drivers, hardware and the rest. However, all it would take would be for one major DAW application (like Cubase, Sonar, Protools, etc) to do something with Linux and the rest would surely follow like a rash, but I don't think that day is remotely close at this time. And nobody wants to be the first to plough a whole pile of investment into it, just to have everyone else hop on board and cream off their share with no risk or prior investment.

abort · Post by **abort** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:15 pm

here's how to setup your wireless laptop cards to work in linux.

I think neb said something about having problems with it.

http://www.ubuntu1501.com/2008/04/ndisw ... heron.html

abort · Post by **abort** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:31 pm

found this:

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/unison-file-s ... -tool.html

anyway??

baseinstinct · Post by **baseinstinct** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:33 pm

Windows has never been so stable as XP for the last five years for me.

SP1, sp2, sp3 - all have been working great on my computers, until quite recently Athlon 2500, now Q6600.

I can hardly say how exciting it is to have one machine which does it all - music, office, internet, films. A freeware av and aspyw program - and not a single problem with virus until my eveident mistake, once.

no ficken magazine reading to see how to make things work. drivers DO work now, even if they didn't use to. My Novation xStation serves as a USB card (!) and I have not had and problems with it. Latency is fne, stability - perfect. Now tell me if Linux works with novation. If not, I am AGAINST your getting a Live for your system. Because Ableton resources will be further divided.

Now look at this mac user how proud he are made to be that his macmouse or imouse has always had one button less. But questions about compatibility are already more frequent.

So we have a system for everyone and a system for those who want to feel special. one mac is enough

Now take a Linux. You bet it is getting better (like everything), but it will not come close to driver and free software functionality of XP. As for DAW power - why should you need extra 15 percent on your next megacomputer, even IF linux is noticeably faster.

My computer is FAST ENOUGH. So is yours. I do not agrree for it to be more efficient. Not at such cost.

A new system - in my opinion too much effort, too steep curve. Even PC/mac means twice more everything to get the same Live experience.

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:40 am

For the records:

This will come with Fedora 10, Nov 25th.

The PulseAudio sound server has been rewritten to use timer-based audio scheduling. With this one Fedora 10 comes at par with Apple and Windows Vista. The main benefits that you are gonna get from this is,

* Less wakeups, reduced power consumption
* Dynamic latency adaption with flexible options.
* Less dependent on audio hardware
* Minimized chance of drop outs

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- Pasha

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:42 am

Pasha wrote:For the records:

This will come with Fedora 10, Nov 25th.

The PulseAudio sound server has been rewritten to use timer-based audio scheduling. With this one Fedora 10 comes at par with Apple and Windows Vista. The main benefits that you are gonna get from this is,

* Less wakeups, reduced power consumption
* Dynamic latency adaption with flexible options.
* Less dependent on audio hardware
* Minimized chance of drop outs

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- Pasha

FWIW Ubuntu introduced the pulse audio sound server in Hardy Heron 6 months ago.

All this stuff's academic anyway, audio hardware that does have drivers available works flawslessly and has done for ages. If you want to build an audio studio to run Linux you buy the correct hardware to do it. All the RME stuff is well supported as are Terratec (I have one and I get much better performance), MAudio I think, I've also heard of a group dedicated to writing MOTU drivers.

Everything works if the drivers are there, doesn't really matter that much which distro you use, it's not a big deal at all (unless you're a complete beginner). It really comes down to which "flavour" you prefer, it's all the same Linux Kernel under the hood.

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:53 am

i used to run ubuntu (And some slackware boxes some while ago aswell), and ubuntu does indeed "just work".

i can understand that Ableton doesnt sit down and provide linux support, nor port their software to linux, but atleast sit down with the wine team and get it working properly with wine, because it should work since its a windows application (as said before in this thread). the live+linux merge has been requested numerous times here on the forums and if you could live to run on a linux box that would give the users alot of flexibility in terms of custom systems etc.

but this thread seems to mostly flooded with people who doesnt know anything about linux except the fact that someone told them once that linux is a "geek os" and you need to be a rocketscientist to use it. these days you can use linux just as easy as any other os.

also, most linux distros has the most extensive and detailed manuals should someting actually not work. (not sure about you, but i sure as hell havent seen a linux distro not included the man from the kernel. theres probably some out there though, heavily customised distros released, if you look hard enough).

in short: ableton live + linux = happy me.

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:51 am

Martyn wrote:
Pasha wrote:For the records:

This will come with Fedora 10, Nov 25th.

The PulseAudio sound server has been rewritten to use timer-based audio scheduling. With this one Fedora 10 comes at par with Apple and Windows Vista. The main benefits that you are gonna get from this is,

* Less wakeups, reduced power consumption
* Dynamic latency adaption with flexible options.
* Less dependent on audio hardware
* Minimized chance of drop outs

- Best
- Pasha
FWIW Ubuntu introduced the pulse audio sound server in Hardy Heron 6 months ago.

All this stuff's academic anyway, audio hardware that does have drivers available works flawslessly and has done for ages. If you want to build an audio studio to run Linux you buy the correct hardware to do it. All the RME stuff is well supported as are Terratec (I have one and I get much better performance), MAudio I think, I've also heard of a group dedicated to writing MOTU drivers.

Everything works if the drivers are there, doesn't really matter that much which distro you use, it's not a big deal at all (unless you're a complete beginner). It really comes down to which "flavour" you prefer, it's all the same Linux Kernel under the hood.

You're right. It's only because I like Fedora and yum/rpm over debian style packages that I have decided to follow that route. I have been discontinuous because since Nov 2006 when I moved to OS X I installed only Enterprise Distros at work. I left Linux with ALSA, now the audio engine has changed again...

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- Pasha

cavern · Post by **cavern** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:08 am

pathetic post

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:49 am

Pasha wrote:I left Linux with ALSA, now the audio engine has changed again...

You make it sound like thats a bad thing, it means that there are a lot of people working very hard on making Linux audio work well, I think thats pretty good.

Pulse audio still uses the same drivers as ALSA does, the only new thing that Pulse Audio gives you on the surface is the ability for each program to get independent control over it's own audio settings. You don't have to use it at all if you don't want to anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio

That wiki explains better than I can.

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:20 am

Martyn wrote:
Pasha wrote:I left Linux with ALSA, now the audio engine has changed again...
You make it sound like thats a bad thing, it means that there are a lot of people working very hard on making Linux audio work well, I think thats pretty good.

Pulse audio still uses the same drivers as ALSA does, the only new thing that Pulse Audio gives you on the surface is the ability for each program to get independent control over it's own audio settings. You don't have to use it at all if you don't want to anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio

That wiki explains better than I can.

Ooops. It wasn't my intention. Thanks for explanation

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- Pasha

darkcatt · Post by **darkcatt** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:27 pm

Does any one have an actual POC we can go after to make this happen?

Talking in a forum is great but if we formally protest it may happen

http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=linux

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