[OT] - LLamas for Obama

[Emissary]

Emissary, what you *think* is far from the truth. I don't know how or why people take you seriously.



this is funny... San Francisco's Proposition R. it's to rename the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant to the George W. Bush Sewage Plant.
http://www.examiner.com/x-358-SF-City-H ... e-Renaming
(it's the same one they showed on 'Dirty Jobs.'

Nobody takes me seriously and i dont expect anyone to either, and i hope to fricking god i'm wrong, but the world 5 years from now might be so vastly different that you'll think back to this moment and go, shit that crazy twat was right. But who knows seriously, i'm not going to pretend that everything i say definitely will come true, but from my world view and from the things i read and research (of which i do alot) i cant see another possible outcome.

America owes the rest of the world huge HUGE amounts of money, and has no savings to ever pay it back. if it were a person it would be the equivalent of a heroine addict constantly trying to fix its problems with another hit. there is no way out of its problems. just do me a favour, if the dollar stops being the world reserve currency please buy as much food and water as you can and prepare. the only things keeping the USA afloat is that one point. the USA would become immediately bankrupt if another currency was used to trade oil.

[forge]

Watching the poll numbers is killing me.

why? what is it looking like there?

I'm always checking in at realclearpolitics Their averaging of national polls has been slowly sinking for Obama from 8.2 ahead to 5.9 over the past week or so. But he's still kicking ass in the electoral system...waaay ahead. I'm just nervous of "underdog" McCain, even though he'll have to have an incredible turnaround to make it. Every time I check the news I'm expecting something bad.

yeah I'm really tense at the moment. I'm sure all the cynics are right and Obama would still be whatever but I can't hep but get sucked in to the cult of personality.

I don;t know though, just look at the dude's education compared to those thick fuckers on the other side. America (read: the world) doesn;t need a military man, it needs someone with some brains for a change....if America starts another war then I really dread what will happen.

But despite the polls I just can't see 'President Obama' - I really just can't picture it.

I'm really expecting all the really nasty bigots to come out of the woodwork and counter the youth/black/intelligent vote

[elxicano]

I understand your points but would have to disagree with you on some. The problem is that you think obama signifies change when the truth is he has promised none that matters. He is highly charismatic and as far as i can tell quite intelligent. I would personally much rather spend an afternoon in his company than in Mccains but i wouldn't vote for him. When you vote for someone, everything that person does while in power falls directly on your shoulders. If The american army bombs a school, that blood is on your hands, as long as your happy with that then you should continue to reside in the 2 party system.I myself could not deal with voting a government in britain into power knowing that i was effectively signing the death warrants of thousands of innocent lives.

In regards to the infrastructure of the USA, i think it is much more fragile than you or anyone could possibly imagine. Due to this global crisis america is teetering on the brink of depression and then later far more dangerously hyperinflation. If hyperinflation were to take grip of the USA then there would quite probably be mass rioting, mass starvation and a country in total disarray. The problem with America when it comes to it is that all your food is grown far far away from the majority of the population. Your infrastructure for delivering food is privately run and cities are filled with people who have no idea how to grow crops.

When the russian empire collapsed, the russians coped with it surprisingly well as they were still in the communist mind set. The infrastructure kept going as it was all government owned. The people of russia started treating money like tokens and would divide it up between friends and family so everyone could survive, and many people still had land on which to grow crops.

To believe that the USA just couldn't collapse is i am sorry to say arrogance of the highest order. Each generation thinks they are the best there has ever been and that they are far too advanced to be effected by the same cyclical issues that have been effecting the human species for millennia. Sadly America is in the last death. It will rise again most definitely, but not for a long while. as much as it pains and saddens me to say this I Personally think its our turn (america , UK, Europe ) to be the 3rd world. Its time for our families and loved ones to have there legs blown off while the countrys coming into power (china for one) watch on tv while stuffing their faces. Unfortunately we have nothing to offer the world , we have become consumers living of the producers. After global re alignment we just wont have anything to offer the new ruling powers.

I hope none of this shit comes to pass. but i cant see how it wont if you follow things through to their logical conclusions.

Your points of disagreement are far too assumptive...

My viewpoint on the stability of our infrastructure is not based on a generational gap, but instead is based on many factors including the financial collapse of 1929, which was far worse than things are now. Much has been implemented to maintain survival which is not the same as flourishing or dominating, but surviving is my point. I never said a collapse couldn't happen, but I did say the country would not be brought to its knees.

I'm sorry, but your argument (going back in the thread) falls short when you go on about the burden of responsibility for voters based on the actions of the candidate voted into office. There is some truth to this, but how far especially when there has never been the support of 100% of the population for any candidate or any president.

Like I've said before... its your oversimplification of things that I find disturbing to say the least. The world we live in is not as simple as you think. In my opinion you are no different than the people you rant about because they too oversimplify to justify their beliefs which dangerously ignore too many factors.

[Tone Deft]

you'll think back to this moment and go, shit that crazy twat was right.

ummmmm... no. I get funny news from here, not much else. when the mole people show up I'll definitely give you props for that.

I've posted before my view of people who can only complain, minus cred. there are positives from all this.
- great time to buy stocks (hold for the long term)
- rates are lowering, I dropped my mortgage a few hundred $$/month (it's fixed.)
- deregulation and 'trickle down' are now known to be flawed theories
- the entire US population has been taught a very valuable finance lesson
- privatization of social security is also clearly a bad idea (IOW many financial ideals of the Republican party are being called out as evil, they took to much.)
- did you notice the Euro falling to the dollar?? suck it, beeyotch!!
http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.html

if I was about to retire I'd be pissed, I'm not. no reason to panic, hold tight, think long term. I have lost money in all this, but I'm fine, shit happens with investments, that's fundamental, but I never over extended myself, oh well.

one bad thing I haven't heard people talk about is that MASSIVE group of baby boomers that are about to retire. hell, maybe those fucks will work a little longer, good cheap labor.

btw when things are good you 'negative conspiracy types' don't post a thing. there have been thread titles about the Dow plunging, when it goes up you lot don't post a goddamn thing. ask your parents, every day in the world there are big huge negative things to rant about, at the end of the day things are pretty much OK, markets rise in the long term. the environment is the only long term shitstorm I'd really worry about, but I'll be long dead by the time that hits the fan. before the USSR broke up 'guys like you' were ranting about nuclear winter and nuclear war as a genuine threat.


aaaaanyway, you're a chill dude, that's what's most important.

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[ethios4]

I never realized how scary it can be to have hope....fear of disappointment is high.

[deva]

I understand your points but would have to disagree with you on some. The problem is that you think obama signifies change when the truth is he has promised none that matters. He is highly charismatic and as far as i can tell quite intelligent. I would personally much rather spend an afternoon in his company than in Mccains but i wouldn't vote for him. When you vote for someone, everything that person does while in power falls directly on your shoulders. If The american army bombs a school, that blood is on your hands, as long as your happy with that then you should continue to reside in the 2 party system.I myself could not deal with voting a government in britain into power knowing that i was effectively signing the death warrants of thousands of innocent lives.

In regards to the infrastructure of the USA, i think it is much more fragile than you or anyone could possibly imagine. Due to this global crisis america is teetering on the brink of depression and then later far more dangerously hyperinflation. If hyperinflation were to take grip of the USA then there would quite probably be mass rioting, mass starvation and a country in total disarray. The problem with America when it comes to it is that all your food is grown far far away from the majority of the population. Your infrastructure for delivering food is privately run and cities are filled with people who have no idea how to grow crops.

When the russian empire collapsed, the russians coped with it surprisingly well as they were still in the communist mind set. The infrastructure kept going as it was all government owned. The people of russia started treating money like tokens and would divide it up between friends and family so everyone could survive, and many people still had land on which to grow crops.

To believe that the USA just couldn't collapse is i am sorry to say arrogance of the highest order. Each generation thinks they are the best there has ever been and that they are far too advanced to be effected by the same cyclical issues that have been effecting the human species for millennia. Sadly America is in the last death. It will rise again most definitely, but not for a long while. as much as it pains and saddens me to say this I Personally think its our turn (america , UK, Europe ) to be the 3rd world. Its time for our families and loved ones to have there legs blown off while the countrys coming into power (china for one) watch on tv while stuffing their faces. Unfortunately we have nothing to offer the world , we have become consumers living of the producers. After global re alignment we just wont have anything to offer the new ruling powers.

I hope none of this shit comes to pass. but i cant see how it wont if you follow things through to their logical conclusions.

Your points of disagreement are far too assumptive...

My viewpoint on the stability of our infrastructure is not based on a generational gap, but instead is based on many factors including the financial collapse of 1929, which was far worse than things are now. Much has been implemented to maintain survival which is not the same as flourishing or dominating, but surviving is my point. I never said a collapse couldn't happen, but I did say the country would not be brought to its knees.

I'm sorry, but your argument (going back in the thread) falls short when you go on about the burden of responsibility for voters based on the actions of the candidate voted into office. There is some truth to this, but how far especially when there has never been the support of 100% of the population for any candidate or any president.

Like I've said before... its your oversimplification of things that I find disturbing to say the least. The world we live in is not as simple as you think. In my opinion you are no different than the people you rant about because they too oversimplify to justify their beliefs which dangerously ignore too many factors.

He is saying he cannot in good conscience vote for someone (Obama in this case I assume) who is going to continue to murder people around the world for lies. Obama is going to increase the military budget, the number of troops and he is going to escalate the war in Afghanistan. These are his own words. He is stating his intention. His stance on Iran is more Hawkish than McCains. There are quite a few people in the world who cannot in good faith vote for a pro war candidate. People should vote their conscience and not everyone will agree.

[deva]

I never realized how scary it can be to have hope....fear of disappointment is high.

took me a few years and some deep disappointments to realize this is one big reason why many people do not really apply themselves to activism... deep down they do not put themselves full into it because when you commit your full self, your whole heart, it is a terrible pain you risk... safer to go through the motions

[deva]

A superb article...

What Do They Have to Do to Lose Your Vote?
The Trail of Broken Promises

http://www.counterpunch.org/gonzalez10292008.html

[Emissary]

I understand your points but would have to disagree with you on some. The problem is that you think obama signifies change when the truth is he has promised none that matters. He is highly charismatic and as far as i can tell quite intelligent. I would personally much rather spend an afternoon in his company than in Mccains but i wouldn't vote for him. When you vote for someone, everything that person does while in power falls directly on your shoulders. If The american army bombs a school, that blood is on your hands, as long as your happy with that then you should continue to reside in the 2 party system.I myself could not deal with voting a government in britain into power knowing that i was effectively signing the death warrants of thousands of innocent lives.

In regards to the infrastructure of the USA, i think it is much more fragile than you or anyone could possibly imagine. Due to this global crisis america is teetering on the brink of depression and then later far more dangerously hyperinflation. If hyperinflation were to take grip of the USA then there would quite probably be mass rioting, mass starvation and a country in total disarray. The problem with America when it comes to it is that all your food is grown far far away from the majority of the population. Your infrastructure for delivering food is privately run and cities are filled with people who have no idea how to grow crops.

When the russian empire collapsed, the russians coped with it surprisingly well as they were still in the communist mind set. The infrastructure kept going as it was all government owned. The people of russia started treating money like tokens and would divide it up between friends and family so everyone could survive, and many people still had land on which to grow crops.

To believe that the USA just couldn't collapse is i am sorry to say arrogance of the highest order. Each generation thinks they are the best there has ever been and that they are far too advanced to be effected by the same cyclical issues that have been effecting the human species for millennia. Sadly America is in the last death. It will rise again most definitely, but not for a long while. as much as it pains and saddens me to say this I Personally think its our turn (america , UK, Europe ) to be the 3rd world. Its time for our families and loved ones to have there legs blown off while the countrys coming into power (china for one) watch on tv while stuffing their faces. Unfortunately we have nothing to offer the world , we have become consumers living of the producers. After global re alignment we just wont have anything to offer the new ruling powers.

I hope none of this shit comes to pass. but i cant see how it wont if you follow things through to their logical conclusions.

Your points of disagreement are far too assumptive...

My viewpoint on the stability of our infrastructure is not based on a generational gap, but instead is based on many factors including the financial collapse of 1929, which was far worse than things are now. Much has been implemented to maintain survival which is not the same as flourishing or dominating, but surviving is my point. I never said a collapse couldn't happen, but I did say the country would not be brought to its knees.

I'm sorry, but your argument (going back in the thread) falls short when you go on about the burden of responsibility for voters based on the actions of the candidate voted into office. There is some truth to this, but how far especially when there has never been the support of 100% of the population for any candidate or any president.

Like I've said before... its your oversimplification of things that I find disturbing to say the least. The world we live in is not as simple as you think. In my opinion you are no different than the people you rant about because they too oversimplify to justify their beliefs which dangerously ignore too many factors.

overcomplicating is the scourge of modern society. being informed and being able to see past the bullshit is an important part of where i am coming from. I find your lack of knowledge just as scary as you find my absolutism. The fact is the country was FAR better setup in the great depression to cope with a collapse than it is now. For instance many still had skills to grow food and many still head homesteads to return too. Also Population was much lower. And how can you say things were much worse back then before we have barely even entered the first stage of recession? You now have main stream media (at least in britain) saying this is the worst financial crisis for a century. Capitalism has reached its theoretical limit and no doubt some kind of highly drastic action will be taken. Anyhow we shall both agree that we disturb each other and that we greatly disagree. I hope i'm proved wrong because i can then continue my rather good life. If i'm right i wont feel the smallest amount of smugness.

[Emissary]

you'll think back to this moment and go, shit that crazy twat was right.

ummmmm... no. I get funny news from here, not much else. when the mole people show up I'll definitely give you props for that.

I've posted before my view of people who can only complain, minus cred. there are positives from all this.
- great time to buy stocks (hold for the long term)
- rates are lowering, I dropped my mortgage a few hundred $$/month (it's fixed.)
- deregulation and 'trickle down' are now known to be flawed theories
- the entire US population has been taught a very valuable finance lesson
- privatization of social security is also clearly a bad idea (IOW many financial ideals of the Republican party are being called out as evil, they took to much.)
- did you notice the Euro falling to the dollar?? suck it, beeyotch!!
http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.html

if I was about to retire I'd be pissed, I'm not. no reason to panic, hold tight, think long term. I have lost money in all this, but I'm fine, shit happens with investments, that's fundamental, but I never over extended myself, oh well.

one bad thing I haven't heard people talk about is that MASSIVE group of baby boomers that are about to retire. hell, maybe those fucks will work a little longer, good cheap labor.

btw when things are good you 'negative conspiracy types' don't post a thing. there have been thread titles about the Dow plunging, when it goes up you lot don't post a goddamn thing. ask your parents, every day in the world there are big huge negative things to rant about, at the end of the day things are pretty much OK, markets rise in the long term. the environment is the only long term shitstorm I'd really worry about, but I'll be long dead by the time that hits the fan. before the USSR broke up 'guys like you' were ranting about nuclear winter and nuclear war as a genuine threat.


aaaaanyway, you're a chill dude, that's what's most important.

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I'm actually a very positve person, thats why i started looking into the route cause of this stuff in the hope i could find some answers. Anway your right it is all blah blah. I dont want to think that my world view should be forced on anyone. I guess just have a different perception than the rest of you. I rarely talk about this shit with my friends. I leave all the doom and gloom for you guys

[crumhorn]

this is a close second

and reminiscent of the old forum days

"Korea is to cats & dogs what Hitler was to Jews! Cat soup is the preferred way to eat cat meat !" WARNING: NOT eating cat leads to hyperbole!
The Koreans call their favorite cat dish "Goyangi-tan" - or "Liquid Cat." Fire up the blender - sounds tasty.

cat milk?

EDIT: WAaaaaaaaaait a minute, it's only page 3 and we're already on to pureed cat

A Korean Joke:

I say I say I say. My little dog has no nose!

Oh really. How does it smell?

Delicious!

Boom Boom - Tishhhh

[jeskola]

A knock is heard on the pearly gates.
Saint Peter looks out of heaven and says,
"Who's there?"
A voice answers: "Barack Obama".
Saint Peter asks "Who are you?"
The voice: "I used to be President of the
United States"
Saint Peter: Really? When did you become President?
Obama: Yesterday.

[sparklepuff]

A knock is heard on the pearly gates.
Saint Peter looks out of heaven and says,
"Who's there?"
A voice answers: "Barack Obama".
Saint Peter asks "Who are you?"
The voice: "I used to be President of the
United States"
Saint Peter: Really? When did you become President?
Obama: Yesterday.

That sounds like a threat. I'll be reporting you to the FBI.

[jeskola]

A knock is heard on the pearly gates.
Saint Peter looks out of heaven and says,
"Who's there?"
A voice answers: "Barack Obama".
Saint Peter asks "Who are you?"
The voice: "I used to be President of the
United States"
Saint Peter: Really? When did you become President?
Obama: Yesterday.

That sounds like a threat. I'll be reporting you to the FBI.

[forge]

this guy kind of sums up why I'm still not sure it's a done deal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell- ... 38634.html