Clinton speaking at a rally yesterday says (I can't quote completely but it went like this)
Clinton: Barack called Hillary, he called me, he called Warren Buffet, he called my financial advisors, so he could understand what is going on with the economy. Then the clincher, Barack asked all of these people he called, what is the right thing to do?
Tnat speech confirms what I suspected all along......He has no plan. He knows nothing about the economy, he is lost. This guy is not ready to be president. I got flamed big time on this forum for asking "what plan". All he as done is mutter the words Change...change, and the Obama-bots, and sheeple fell into line. We are headed for a big train wreck. Face it, the only reason people like Obama is.....he isn't Bush. Its sad, but we are on the way to a big paycheck raping with this guy. He is fueling the abolishment of 401K retirement funds, he wants to rape FICA which is what feeds out Social Security, he is backing off some of his promises, and the biggie, he has waffled and lowered the cap for income that he said he would not tax (was 250K per year). Now his is lowered it down to the 150K or 200K range. WE ARE SCREWED if this guy gets elected. But America does not care about putting a price tag on our liberties. The sheeple are selling out and saying "Ya he's gonna give me free money every year" Money that these idiots will pay the rent with for one month and its gone until the next year. That plan can not build the economy back. Everyone use your heads and think about what he has condoned. Marxism, association with domestic terrorist, ACORN who he has promised a role in his presidency, Wright, Rezko, taxes, giving Social Security to illegals, voter fraud, Distribution of wealth so that we don't have a say so where our money goes when we give it to the government. This nightmare list goes on and on. Please think about your actions and the consequences when you vote. I am not saying vote for McCain. I am saying if you like the independents stand on things, go that route. Obama = failure and we do not need any more failures in government.
OT- Obama must have shat his draws
OT- Obama must have shat his draws
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+12009djsynchro wrote:God forbid there would be a lefty in the White House, you might get un-American socialist things like, affordable healthcare for everyone and PEACE.
apparently, Huey Lewis doesn't feel that it's good to ask for advice from the most succesful people in our nations history (economy was in surplus in Clinton era, and Buffett has done okay for himself). No President should ever claim to know the answers. It's his/her ability to disseminate (investigate, ask, get 2nd and 3rd and 400th opinions, research) through the b.s. and do the best they can for the people, that makes them a great president.
yeah - as if any president does anything at all without asking as many people as possible - with that much at stake you'd want to damn well hope they do!infiniteB wrote:+12009djsynchro wrote:God forbid there would be a lefty in the White House, you might get un-American socialist things like, affordable healthcare for everyone and PEACE.
apparently, Huey Lewis doesn't feel that it's good to ask for advice from the most succesful people in our nations history (economy was in surplus in Clinton era, and Buffett has done okay for himself). No President should ever claim to know the answers. It's his/her ability to disseminate (investigate, ask, get 2nd and 3rd and 400th opinions, research) through the b.s. and do the best they can for the people, that makes them a great president.
no way in hell George W Bush doesn't ask anybody's opinion before acting
lol @ huey st lewis!
buffett really shouldnt be involved in any decisions about our economy. Its in the same ball park as letting the people who will profit from war deciding if we should go to war. Although I agree with you, obama should be gathering alot of info before making plans. Also, although I love clinton and think he was a great president, he gets way too much credit for the surplus. he should get credit for not spending money like a drunk texan. People act as if he invented the technology boom....infiniteB wrote:+12009djsynchro wrote:God forbid there would be a lefty in the White House, you might get un-American socialist things like, affordable healthcare for everyone and PEACE.
apparently, Huey Lewis doesn't feel that it's good to ask for advice from the most succesful people in our nations history (economy was in surplus in Clinton era, and Buffett has done okay for himself). No President should ever claim to know the answers. It's his/her ability to disseminate (investigate, ask, get 2nd and 3rd and 400th opinions, research) through the b.s. and do the best they can for the people, that makes them a great president.
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regardless of whether he or maccaine have a plan for the economy, obama has outlined what he's going to do for ME. also, i jive with his attitude for supreme court nomination, use of the military, and investment in the people at large through energy consumption and education.
really, it doesn't matter. executive power is checked and very limited in it's efforts to affect keynesian style government intervention. the economy will prettty much do what it is going to do; crash and burn or soar.
so the overtly clear choice is obama cause he represents me. mccain has supporters who he represents; greedy corporations, rightwing nationalists and zealots, willfully uneducated trailor trash, racists, dirty cops, and your mom.
really, it doesn't matter. executive power is checked and very limited in it's efforts to affect keynesian style government intervention. the economy will prettty much do what it is going to do; crash and burn or soar.
so the overtly clear choice is obama cause he represents me. mccain has supporters who he represents; greedy corporations, rightwing nationalists and zealots, willfully uneducated trailor trash, racists, dirty cops, and your mom.
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That's the thing that makes me shit myself... There are tons of people who will be there around the president, who have been there before, and will be there afterwards... The President is not as powerful as you might think. He's kind of like a puppet.
The Senators and Congressmen, and Judges, they all balance things, and in some ways, outweigh his powers...
Then there are the dudes who are uber rich that somehow have a say in things that you and I don't get a say in... So...
WTF?!?!?
"The Man" has been in control for a long long time... It's getting harder and harder to be the top dog, if there is such a thing...
I'll vote for Cobra Commander on Nov. 4, if I make it to the polls...
Yes, this is probably a useless rant, but eh... Fuck it... I have the right to say whatever I want, right?!?
The Senators and Congressmen, and Judges, they all balance things, and in some ways, outweigh his powers...
Then there are the dudes who are uber rich that somehow have a say in things that you and I don't get a say in... So...
WTF?!?!?
"The Man" has been in control for a long long time... It's getting harder and harder to be the top dog, if there is such a thing...
I'll vote for Cobra Commander on Nov. 4, if I make it to the polls...
Yes, this is probably a useless rant, but eh... Fuck it... I have the right to say whatever I want, right?!?
If you can imagine it, it can happen...
Start looking at the independents!sweetjesus wrote:if u dont vote for mccain or obama who do u vote for?
the question is, do u realli want mccain in the whitehouse and palin right there behind his pacemaker?
Computer games don't effect kids... If Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music
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Many don't see it as asking the advice or successful people. Many see it as a "He really does not know much about economics" as he was blasting McCain for during the campaingn. If he is asking "What do I do", how is that going to help you? That tells me he doesn't know how he is going to help you. Presidents do not affect the economy anyway. Tax laws do. You can't possibly blame the economic conditions on a war, that did not cause the housing and financial market (subprime)etc to fail. That was the stupidity of liberals and those controlling congress (congress passes the tax laws). I think its funny that people say how miserable the Reagan years were. Although blacks and hispanics forget that employment for blacks rose 36% and 50% for hispanics. Sounds pretty good to me. More jobs, more that goes back into the economy, and it grows. The following goes along with Obama not knowing economics. It is an analysis of his TV fiasco
AP FACT CHECK: Obama Ad Avoids Budget Realities
The Associated Press takes a look at the details in Obama's prime-time ad
AP
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
WASHINGTON -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.
Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are -- beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.
A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:
THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."
THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.
THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."
THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.
THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."
THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years -- and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."
THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "
THE FACTS: His proposals -- the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more -- cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged -- although not in his commercial -- that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."
AP FACT CHECK: Obama Ad Avoids Budget Realities
The Associated Press takes a look at the details in Obama's prime-time ad
AP
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
WASHINGTON -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.
Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are -- beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.
A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:
THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."
THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.
THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."
THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.
THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."
THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years -- and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."
THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "
THE FACTS: His proposals -- the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more -- cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged -- although not in his commercial -- that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."
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http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/Tnat speech confirms what I suspected all along......He has no plan.
Next time, please do a little research first before you start babbling on the internet incoherently.
We've had eight years of uninformed, reactionary decision making. We don't need anymore and this goes for everyone, not just the president.