OT- Obama must have shat his draws

[knotkranky]

Attacking Huey's knowledge of economics is not a really an ad hom, but is also not contructive to this thread either. Neither is his bringing up the notion a women thinks she does have to work if Obama is elected as a reason not to elect Obama very relevant. It's not the same as when common people thought Saddam did 9-11. That perception feed to the masses was criminal.

Then again, who cares if we ad hom Huey. Ostricize him!

Ooh, i didn't read that bit. I'm out, no need to continue.

Vote Obama / Biden

[mikemc]

The President is not supposed to know everything about every issue. He *is* supposed to grasp the importance of every issue, and direct the best available resources to addressing it with the appropriate priority.

The difference between McCain and Obama is that Obama can call ex-President Clinton, who achieved a zero deficit, for economic advice.

McCain, on the other hand, can call any number of Reaganomicsists responsible for running up the deficit

Obama can call Colin Powell, as well as Biden, for advice on foreign affairs.

McCain, on the other hand, can call any number of the Neo-Conservative Manipulationists responsible for Iraq.

I'm not saying McCain is wrong about everything, but he's wrong about the most important things, and also wrong about what's most important.

[djadonis206]

Attacking Huey's knowledge of economics is not a really an ad hom, but is also not contructive to this thread either. Neither is his bringing up the notion a women thinks she does have to work if Obama is elected as a reason not to elect Obama very relevant. It's not the same as when common people thought Saddam did 9-11. That perception feed to the masses was criminal.

Then again, who cares if we ad hom Huey. Ostricize the neo con facist!

I'm not attacking his knowledge of economics, I just asked. That's all. I am skeptical because he says Bush's first years were prosperous...but it wasn't so.

[Huey]

Djadonis206, In 1979 I was a business major in college. Took all the economics and accounting courses before realizing, I would rather be an engineer and have been so for the past 25 years at the same company. Am I an expert on economics? not by any stretch, as I am sure 99% on this forum are not. We all have our theories and we all proclaim what we type to be fact that is why everyone gets flamed on forums. Everyone is right and if you don't like it, your a moron (not you personnally, just an example of forum mentality on touchy subjects). I kind of have a hint on where you are going with this. I fully realize that the war has caused a huge hole to dig out of. That did not bring the economy to a nose dive. If that were the case in the first gulf war we would have seen the same effect. Some of the best economic runs have occured during war time. I was not for a war, because Bush went after the wrong bad guy. This wreck has been coming for a long time and they were warned. Bush did not lend the money out to people who could not afford to pay for the homes they bought. Not the president's job. But people like Barney Frank who was out there saying everything was fine !!!, Freddy and Fannie were solid, is irresponsible and so were the lending institutions who flat out knew that people making 56K a year could not afford 300K homes. Most of all shame on the indivduals that drove it into the ground.....the idiots that actually believed that they could afford a 300K home on 56K income.

To answer j2j, I don't have a plan. I am not an economist. I have to trust the ones I listen to and read from. I do know raising taxes in a weak economy is not a smart thing to do, that is what happened in the time of the great depression. Taxing the top 5% of the wealth in the US and trying to give it to 95% of the US is not going to work either. It doesn't not promote economic growth and it will cause companies to lay off workers when they can't make payroll due to higher taxes. There will be no incentive for the wealthy to prosper and build more weath, when the tax man cometh ever time some one is successful. It just does not work. And no I did not vote for Bush. So you are wrong again Knotkranky.

[starving student]

Clinton speaking at a rally yesterday says (I can't quote completely but it went like this)

Clinton: Barack called Hillary, he called me, he called Warren Buffet, he called my financial advisors, so he could understand what is going on with the economy. Then the clincher, Barack asked all of these people he called, what is the right thing to do?

Tnat speech confirms what I suspected all along......He has no plan. He knows nothing about the economy, he is lost. This guy is not ready to be president. I got flamed big time on this forum for asking "what plan". All he as done is mutter the words Change...change, and the Obama-bots, and sheeple fell into line. We are headed for a big train wreck. Face it, the only reason people like Obama is.....he isn't Bush. Its sad, but we are on the way to a big paycheck raping with this guy. He is fueling the abolishment of 401K retirement funds, he wants to rape FICA which is what feeds out Social Security, he is backing off some of his promises, and the biggie, he has waffled and lowered the cap for income that he said he would not tax (was 250K per year). Now his is lowered it down to the 150K or 200K range. WE ARE SCREWED if this guy gets elected. But America does not care about putting a price tag on our liberties. The sheeple are selling out and saying "Ya he's gonna give me free money every year" Money that these idiots will pay the rent with for one month and its gone until the next year. That plan can not build the economy back. Everyone use your heads and think about what he has condoned. Marxism, association with domestic terrorist, ACORN who he has promised a role in his presidency, Wright, Rezko, taxes, giving Social Security to illegals, voter fraud, Distribution of wealth so that we don't have a say so where our money goes when we give it to the government. This nightmare list goes on and on. Please think about your actions and the consequences when you vote. I am not saying vote for McCain. I am saying if you like the independents stand on things, go that route. Obama = failure and we do not need any more failures in government.

you Lost me after your first few lines. we have already been in a trainwreck, have you ever seen a trainwreck most people don't go from one trainwreck to another, the worst thing Barry 'not from alabama' obama can do is be like john wayne mcCain therefore why choose john mccain?.... sheeeeit I'd vote for obama simply for the fact that he's got enough sense to turn the country over to a more capable vice president if need be than mccain crazy ass palin move. basicly by your own logic it wouldn't make sense to vote for john mccain.

[knotkranky]

And no I did not vote for Bush.

Yes you did. You didn't vote for Kerry. You believe Bush added prosperity and you're defensive of the republican ticket.
You never mentioned another party or alt candidates. Your rhetoric is very right too.
Though I understand not admitting it.

[starving student]

one more thing i know people get heated over this issue i certainly do but I don't mean to offend you with any of my comments personaly.

one of the things i do when listening to some ones point of view is look at how even it is because often what comes out of someones mouth isn't what's in their heart. I know you feel very strongly about obamas connection
to people who don't like america, why don't you feel the same way about the alaskan group that palins husband was a 'MEMBER' OF UNTIL recently?
seriously......everybody in that organization probably has a photo of william ayers on their nightstand, so maybe obama served on a board, or knows the guy, but he was not a member of some organization that hates america and wants to break off from the country. they don't even try to hide it they are quite up front about it.
by your ruler of judgement you should be talking more about john mccain and palin than obama.

[sparklepuff]

[Incy]

I keep hearing tax cut DETAILS for the middle class from Obama. I've heard no details on tax increases for the rich, but so what if it happens. They are still going out to nice dinner tonight and every night no matter who's elected. I have heard corporations that make record profits are on the radar as they should be. What oil company reported a record profit only yesterday... I wonder why the people are not in the streets with torches and pitch forks. Maybe cause the alledged 'liberal bias'd' media is really owned by MEGA corporations selling stories to target markets. Whatever, the rich deserve the spoils of their work; but, I don't feel sorry for the filthy rich. Time for Barrack-the-Robin-Hood Obama to get to work and clean house!

Incy = BA in Finance

[j2j]

To answer j2j, I don't have a plan. I am not an economist. I have to trust the ones I listen to and read from. I do know raising taxes in a weak economy is not a smart thing to do, that is what happened in the time of the great depression. Taxing the top 5% of the wealth in the US and trying to give it to 95% of the US is not going to work either. It doesn't not promote economic growth and it will cause companies to lay off workers when they can't make payroll due to higher taxes. There will be no incentive for the wealthy to prosper and build more weath, when the tax man cometh ever time some one is successful. It just does not work.

Right wing talking points.

Why?

Where have all the jobs been created by the wealthy in recent decades?

Where has your personal wealth gone in recent decades?

I remember travelling around the world, before spending 3 and 4 times as much on gas, electricity, and food.

Where has all my wealth gone? Certainly not to me. My personal wealth has been redistributed to the top 10%.

You think I'm kidding.


I have:

Hiked the amazon, sailed the carribean, tripped on roman ruins, drank in paris, lived in london, skated through canada, partied in mexico, from maine to california, I have lived in and or scene upwards of 30 states.

I did this all, not as a child of privilage.... But as an average middle class United States Citizen.

Nowadays, after paying all my bills, I sit home and watch tv, without an extra dollar to do anything.

I've travelled the world. Never making more than the median income. I've worked in electronics, sales, marketing, music, casinos, financial industries.

I've lived a really diverse and cool short life, and now... I work solely to pay bills. Currently thinking about becoming a lawyer, or something, cause I just can't make any sort of income the way I used to.



Seriuously, I would just like to know.......

What the fuck are you talking about? What the fuck is the right wing of this country talking about?

MY WEALTH HAS ALREADY BEEN REDISTRIBUTED.

IN THE LAST TWO YEARS I'VE MADE THOUSANDS OF POST ON INTERNET FORUMS.

WHY?

CAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO PARTY? PLAY? LIVE?

NO.

I HAVE NO MONEY TO DO ANYTHING.

NOWAYDAYS, AFTER GAS, ELECTRIC, FOOD, ETC..... MY WEALTH HAS BEEN REDISTRIBUTED TO SOMEBODY ELSES POCKET.


So what the fuck are you talking about?

The wealthy don't want to create jobs, cause the taxes are too high?

Exactly what massive amount of jobs has been created, here in the USA, during the low taxes of the last eight years?

[elxicano]

Huey, Huey, Huey... you deserved to get flamed again.

He didn't lower the threshold of tax increases from 250k... its still the same.

Your insinuation he doesn't know much by asking others only shows how little you know, because the reality is that a president does not run the country alone. Presidents seek advices of others... this has always been the case since the founding of this government.

Your citing of the article is a joke because it is only referencing his "infomercial" not his policies, since he does have a very clear specific plan. Whether you agree with his plan is a different story and if you don't agree with the specifics, I'd respect your opinion on it, but right now you're just one more running off your mouth before you've done your homework.

[elxicano]

To answer j2j, I don't have a plan. I am not an economist. I have to trust the ones I listen to and read from. I do know raising taxes in a weak economy is not a smart thing to do, that is what happened in the time of the great depression. Taxing the top 5% of the wealth in the US and trying to give it to 95% of the US is not going to work either. It doesn't not promote economic growth and it will cause companies to lay off workers when they can't make payroll due to higher taxes. There will be no incentive for the wealthy to prosper and build more weath, when the tax man cometh ever time some one is successful. It just does not work. And no I did not vote for Bush. So you are wrong again Knotkranky.

Either you don't pay attention, or you have a short memory.

Bill Clinton raised taxes in a failing economy and we had one of the best economic booms this country has ever had. Obama's raising of taxes in reality is just restoring taxes to what they were under Clinton.

[hacktheplanet]

This graph will probably be disregarded because it comes from a LIEberal slanted new source, but take a look anyway:



http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

[kuniklo]

We should have let the South secede after all.

[b0unce]

God forbid there would be a lefty in the White House, you might get un-American socialist things like, affordable healthcare for everyone and PEACE.

eh ?

Obomba's healthcare proposals aren't even remotely socialist.