What Pieces of Hardware Will Be Classics in 5/10 years?

ubermnd · Post by **ubermnd** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:00 pm

@Machinesworking: Yeah, this is what happens when you post ranting drunken dribble in the middle of night. It was halloween after all, after midnight I tend to transform into a twat.

p.s. I tend to own myself on a daily basis some way or another so its nothing new!

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:03 pm

b0unce wrote:hehe - when a waffling blowhard like yourself bandies about the term 'glib' .... it's kind of meaningless.
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I thought you only trashed off topic threads. Go away. Make some music.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:20 pm

kuniklo wrote:In five or ten years software will be so much more powerful and sophisticated that almost all hardware will be museum pieces.

People said that ten years ago when the first soft synths that sounded even halfway decent came out. They said it 20 years ago when FM synthesis hit.

DX7s are now worth about $100
My Memorymoog could easily sell for $5,000.
At the time you could buy an Arp 2600 for $150, now they fetch around $6,000.

To some, analog will never go out of style, the interface with computers has a looooong way to go to beat hardware.

Don't get em wrong I like soft syths too, but ones emulating analog hardware just don't do it for me, and probably never will.

kuniklo wrote:
b0unce wrote:hehe - when a waffling blowhard like yourself bandies about the term 'glib' .... it's kind of meaningless.
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I thought you only trashed off topic threads. Go away. Make some music.

Not that b0unce needs any help, but regardless of past interactions between b0unce and Oscar, Oscar threw the first OT jab in this thread, so you look like a bit of a stalker there.

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:23 pm

Machinesworking wrote: People said that ten years ago when the first soft synths that sounded even halfway decent came out. They said it 20 years ago when FM synthesis hit.

Don't get em wrong I like soft syths too, but ones emulating analog hardware just don't do it for me, and probably never will.

Moore's law is on the side of software though.

Pretty soon we'll be able to brute force analog emulation by oversampling. Maybe some of the really extreme modulations you can do in analog won't happen in software but those will become the rare cases.

I expect a small boutique market for hardware like the Elektron boxes will probably survive for at least a few more years though.

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:24 pm

a telephone.

jeffplaysmoog · Post by **jeffplaysmoog** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:34 pm

Oh man, although it has not been in production for a couple of years I'm going to say the Roland AX-7... I have two of them and I am considering selling them both for a Moog (they go for upwards of 1100 on ebay)...

WaveRider · Post by **WaveRider** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:51 pm

kuniklo wrote:
Moore's law is on the side of software though.

Pretty soon we'll be able to brute force analog emulation

..maybe it does not depend on computing factors.... know-how... culture, taste etc... well nothing devaluates faster than computer realated stuff...

that was a very interesting thread anyway...

The Evolver is obviously a synth in production now that is going to become a classic...

I wonder about the Korg Radias, witch sounds really plastic but that what was I was saying about the TB303 in 1983...

it does stuff that nothing else does but that remains to be seen...

Soma · Post by **Soma** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:44 pm

The Mouse

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:57 pm

I'm thinking korg ms2000, but thats not being made anymore I guess.

nord modular and micro g1, also not being made..

all the electribes even though some of them kinda suck (ea-1 anybody?)

machinedrum

x0xb0x

desktop evolver even though I'm not an enourmous fan of it.

soundlab mini synth

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:06 pm

Sometimes I wonder if all the inexpensive manufacturing going on in China will come to a close - and all the cheap gear we know today will appreciate in value because it really is expensive to produce after all.

Well, if that happens, or if it doesn't happen, the Studio Projects C1 large diaphragm condenser microphone will undoubtedly be considered a classic.

And the OZONIC! Worlds first and only all-in-one keyboard, control surface, and firewire interface! 100% pure classic!

thoffir · Post by **thoffir** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:39 pm

starving student wrote: yeah i swear by and at that damn kp3, it's like if you turn it one side to the right you get another idea even though the shape hasn't changed

change vertical sliders in midi mode into horizontal, turn it anticlockwise by 90 degrees. now fx release / level is your fader and you have 4 effects per channel. the only problem is that touchpad is not multitouch capable, which works bad for eq, but you can use buttons 1-6 as LMH kills for each channel...

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:43 pm

Hidden Driveways wrote:Sometimes I wonder if all the inexpensive manufacturing going on in China will come to a close - and all the cheap gear we know today will appreciate in value because it really is expensive to produce after all.

Well, if that happens, or if it doesn't happen, the Studio Projects C1 large diaphragm condenser microphone will undoubtedly be considered a classic.

And the OZONIC! Worlds first and only all-in-one keyboard, control surface, and firewire interface! 100% pure classic!

you actually think a midi controller is gonna become a classic? there might be one out there but it certainly is gonna have to be the bee's f*ing knees to pull it off.

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:00 pm

Machinesworking wrote: DX7s are now worth about $100
My Memorymoog could easily sell for $5,000.
At the time you could buy an Arp 2600 for $150, now they fetch around $6,000.

But there is no doubt that the DX series are classics, I don't think price has anything to do with it.

Some things become classics, just because nothing else is quite like them. There may never be upgrades to their concept due to the slow death of hardware. Cases in point being the Korg ER-1 & ESX and the Nord G2.

I'm not sure if the Lemur will be seen as a classic, as much as it will seem to be an awkward and expensive step towards inevitable technology.

Defly the Evolver series.

The MicroKorg is already classic due to so many punk bands using them. I would MUCH rather have an MS2K myself, but I think the size and price won the hearts of ppl for the MK. Korg kinda missed out upgrading to the full sized R3, but now they will have an MK XL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijJ9JiWoq-o

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:51 pm

Also, some things will always be pipe dream classics to many people.

I will likely never own a Rozz Box, or Octopus, or Poly Evolver, or Wretch Machine, but their concept is very appealing to me.

condra · Post by **condra** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:28 pm

there might be one out there but it certainly is gonna have to be the bee's f*ing knees to pull it off.

UC33e (which, incidentally, badly needs a catchy nickname)