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[Tone Deft]

God's plan will be carried out.

See everyone? Stop feeding the troll.

That's the plan. The troll shall be fed.

he's just being honest, IMO. it's interesting reading a different viewpoint, it can't be easy for him.

[sparklepuff]

how did you vote on Prop 8?

Wanna place bets?

[Fizmarble]

Sounds like a thinly veiled attack at my intelligence. I used to follow politics way too closely. I am assuming closer than you ever have (thinly veiled attack?) Now I have a much more apathetic approach because my faith ensures that no matter the president of this country, God's plan will be carried out. How then, can I complain about our sitting president? But I will have no part in electing a wicked man.

totally didn't mean to be an attack, it's just bad writing, I'm at work shooting off posts pretty quickly, your patience is noted by many, trust me on that one.

what about the separation of church and state? do you see value in that? what about the representation of other religions in your big picture and how their religion should affect their politics.

how did you vote on Prop 8?

Separation of church and state has meaning. And most people screw up the meaning to meet their agenda. My personal feeling is this, if you are a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Mormon, Jew or whatever and your separate your voting record from your faith, you are useless to the faith. If your faith doesn't affect your behavior, your faith is dead.

Prop 8 was a little tricky for me. I don't believe in suppressing the rights of homosexuals just because they are homosexuals. However, as previously was eluded to regarding our laws and their origins, I believe that marriage has a meaning. It does not mean the joining together of any two consenting adults. Even most homosexuals would agree that the marriage of a father and his daughter should be prohibited (I hope they would agree). I am actually for homosexuals rights to benefits of marriage. I don't want it called marriage though. I used to be very intolerant of homosexuality, and Christ has taught me to love. Without knowing my heart you cannot know how much I love, but I have grown a lot. Part of that growth has been from not following the hatred in politics as closely.

Long story short. Gay unions are ok with me. But marriage already has already been defined by Christ, so we have to have new word for it. It may seem silly to you, but it makes perfect sense to me. I definitely have a different perspective, and it's not cause my head is up my ass.

[glenn303]

Nyc, only took me about 5 mins, luckly i got there shortly before everyone got out of work (9 to 5 crowd).

[kaffein]

I slept... I voted last Friday.
(Took 2 hours that day unfortunately)

[elxicano]

Separation of church and state has meaning. And most people screw up the meaning to meet their agenda. My personal feeling is this, if you are a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Mormon, Jew or whatever and your separate your voting record from your faith, you are useless to the faith. If your faith doesn't affect your behavior, your faith is dead.

Prop 8 was a little tricky for me. I don't believe in suppressing the rights of homosexuals just because they are homosexuals. However, as previously was eluded to regarding our laws and their origins, I believe that marriage has a meaning. It does not mean the joining together of any two consenting adults. Even most homosexuals would agree that the marriage of a father and his daughter should be prohibited (I hope they would agree). I am actually for homosexuals rights to benefits of marriage. I don't want it called marriage though. I used to be very intolerant of homosexuality, and Christ has taught me to love. Without knowing my heart you cannot know how much I love, but I have grown a lot. Part of that growth has been from not following the hatred in politics as closely.

Long story short. Gay unions are ok with me. But marriage already has already been defined by Christ, so we have to have new word for it. It may seem silly to you, but it makes perfect sense to me. I definitely have a different perspective, and it's not cause my head is up my ass.

Fizmarble,

I hope you don't mind, but I kind of consider this an opportunity to learn more... I want ask you, while on the subject of separation of church and state, how do feel about it from a governing standpoint? Do you expect religious politicians to further causes based on their religion, or do you expect them to show restraint in governing due to the diversity of our population in relation to various religious affiliations... If this question is too loaded a question to answer, just let me know

Thanks

[elxicano]

Well I'm still nervous... we should be seeing results soon for the States of Indiana and Kentucky.

Early Polling projections had shown that Kentucky was/is a given for the McCain/Palin ticket, but Indiana, while favoring McCain was a possible steal for Obama.

[Tone Deft]

thanks for the reply, interesting...

Separation of church and state has meaning. And most people screw up the meaning to meet their agenda. My personal feeling is this, if you are a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Mormon, Jew or whatever and your separate your voting record from your faith, you are useless to the faith. If your faith doesn't affect your behavior, your faith is dead.

then there's no separation? if you separate your faith from any aspect of your life then your faith is dead. the whole notion of separation of church and state is screwed up. it's in the constitution to be against it, but it's on our money and pledge of allegiance. when you're in court you have to swear on the Bible. people have it twisted.

Prop 8 was a little tricky for me. I don't believe in suppressing the rights of homosexuals just because they are homosexuals. However, as previously was eluded to regarding our laws and their origins, I believe that marriage has a meaning. It does not mean the joining together of any two consenting adults. Even most homosexuals would agree that the marriage of a father and his daughter should be prohibited (I hope they would agree). I am actually for homosexuals rights to benefits of marriage. I don't want it called marriage though. I used to be very intolerant of homosexuality, and Christ has taught me to love. Without knowing my heart you cannot know how much I love, but I have grown a lot. Part of that growth has been from not following the hatred in politics as closely.

Long story short. Gay unions are ok with me. But marriage already has already been defined by Christ, so we have to have new word for it. It may seem silly to you, but it makes perfect sense to me. I definitely have a different perspective, and it's not cause my head is up my ass.

cool. please do try to help people take the hate out of the discussion. the world needs more stable, happy families, this is only holding them back.

try to take a moment and see it from an atheist's point of view (my point of view) it's very frustrating. the vast majority of people around me are making decisions that affect me based on things that simply do not exist. atheists have morality we just don't derive it from a book or a ancient traditions.

in most countries (so I hear) the topic of a candidate's religion is simply not an issue. in the US they have to be christian and the right kind of christian at that.


nice question elxicano.

[NorthernMonkey]

Sounds like a thinly veiled attack at my intelligence. I used to follow politics way too closely. I am assuming closer than you ever have (thinly veiled attack?) Now I have a much more apathetic approach because my faith ensures that no matter the president of this country, God's plan will be carried out. How then, can I complain about our sitting president? But I will have no part in electing a wicked man.

totally didn't mean to be an attack, it's just bad writing, I'm at work shooting off posts pretty quickly, your patience is noted by many, trust me on that one.

what about the separation of church and state? do you see value in that? what about the representation of other religions in your big picture and how their religion should affect their politics.

how did you vote on Prop 8?

Separation of church and state has meaning. And most people screw up the meaning to meet their agenda. My personal feeling is this, if you are a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Mormon, Jew or whatever and your separate your voting record from your faith, you are useless to the faith. If your faith doesn't affect your behavior, your faith is dead.

Prop 8 was a little tricky for me. I don't believe in suppressing the rights of homosexuals just because they are homosexuals. However, as previously was eluded to regarding our laws and their origins, I believe that marriage has a meaning. It does not mean the joining together of any two consenting adults. Even most homosexuals would agree that the marriage of a father and his daughter should be prohibited (I hope they would agree). I am actually for homosexuals rights to benefits of marriage. I don't want it called marriage though. I used to be very intolerant of homosexuality, and Christ has taught me to love. Without knowing my heart you cannot know how much I love, but I have grown a lot. Part of that growth has been from not following the hatred in politics as closely.

Long story short. Gay unions are ok with me. But marriage already has already been defined by Christ, so we have to have new word for it. It may seem silly to you, but it makes perfect sense to me. I definitely have a different perspective, and it's not cause my head is up my ass.

You sound like a very confused individual. Just let go and enjoy life for what it is.

[Fizmarble]

Fizmarble,

I hope you don't mind, but I kind of consider this an opportunity to learn more... I want ask you, while on the subject of separation of church and state, how do feel about it from a governing standpoint? Do you expect religious politicians to further causes based on their religion, or do you expect them to show restraint in governing due to the diversity of our population in relation to various religious affiliations... If this question is too loaded a question to answer, just let me know

Thanks

It's an awesome question. I am honored that you want to know what I think instead of telling me what I think and dismissing me.

Simply put, I believe that a person's faith, if genuine, alters a persons behavior, and that even a governing official of a varied body of people will still act according to their faith. Does it mean as a person of faith that official should attempt to mandate certain religious practices over another? No. Does it mean they are not allowed to express their personal beliefs? No. Should they abide by the laws of the land where they do not conflict or oppose their own faith? Yes.

A person's faith should be reflected in their actions and speech. As a person of Christian faith I can tell you that I despise nationalism. I come from an angry extreme conservative father and an angry extreme liberal mother. I argue respectfully with each of them (separately as they are long divorced), and see the views on each side of the political spectrum. I am also a natural skeptic and understand atheist/agnostic points of view. But I think I have given more information than you requested.

Does this suffice?

[Fizmarble]

try to take a moment and see it from an atheist's point of view (my point of view) it's very frustrating. the vast majority of people around me are making decisions that affect me based on things that simply do not exist. atheists have morality we just don't derive it from a book or a ancient traditions.

The martyrdom of many thousands suggest that some of the things you perceive to not exist, actually do exist and are worth dying for. Simply because you cannot see certain things, does not mean that they do not exist. (wind, sound pressure, atoms, radiation)

[doc holiday]

what do you feel about government miss-representing faith (religion) as a means of control over the population?


this is why there is separation of church and state.

they simply do not belong together.


the bible says god is beyond definition.


as soon as you try to define god you loose

[Tone Deft]

more interesting answers.

try to take a moment and see it from an atheist's point of view (my point of view) it's very frustrating. the vast majority of people around me are making decisions that affect me based on things that simply do not exist. atheists have morality we just don't derive it from a book or a ancient traditions.

The martyrdom of many thousands suggest that some of the things you perceive to not exist, actually do exist and are worth dying for. Simply because you cannot see certain things, does not mean that they do not exist. (wind, sound pressure, atoms, radiation)

sure, and I can tell you that there's a teapot in orbit around Mars, is it up to me to convince that it's there or up to you to convince me that it's not there? clearly I have to convince you, the same goes with the existence of god.

as a science geek I wholly believe in and understand wind, sound pressure, atoms and radiation, in the big picture I think it makes much more sense that we're here out of complete random chance. 'god' is a label that's used for anything we don't understand. I find it insulting (strong word) that people think that goat herders from 2,000 years ago knew more about the universe than we do today, it flies against the face of reason (that's why the call it faith, right?)

if a god didn't exist it would be necessary to invent one, it's human nature.


is god on the internet? how would he access it? can he interpret the IP stack without a computer and just sense the EMI from the internet? does god use Live? it is eviL spelled backwards.

[elxicano]

Fizmarble,

I hope you don't mind, but I kind of consider this an opportunity to learn more... I want ask you, while on the subject of separation of church and state, how do feel about it from a governing standpoint? Do you expect religious politicians to further causes based on their religion, or do you expect them to show restraint in governing due to the diversity of our population in relation to various religious affiliations... If this question is too loaded a question to answer, just let me know

Thanks

It's an awesome question. I am honored that you want to know what I think instead of telling me what I think and dismissing me.

Simply put, I believe that a person's faith, if genuine, alters a persons behavior, and that even a governing official of a varied body of people will still act according to their faith. Does it mean as a person of faith that official should attempt to mandate certain religious practices over another? No. Does it mean they are not allowed to express their personal beliefs? No. Should they abide by the laws of the land where they do not conflict or oppose their own faith? Yes.

A person's faith should be reflected in their actions and speech. As a person of Christian faith I can tell you that I despise nationalism. I come from an angry extreme conservative father and an angry extreme liberal mother. I argue respectfully with each of them (separately as they are long divorced), and see the views on each side of the political spectrum. I am also a natural skeptic and understand atheist/agnostic points of view. But I think I have given more information than you requested.

Does this suffice?

Of course its sufficient, since its your answer... I wish more individuals shared your perspective, regardless of religious affiliation. And, no, not too much info as it was a loaded question, for which I appreciate the insightful response.

Thank you and my apologies for my earlier assumptions.

[Fizmarble]

what do you feel about government miss-representing faith (religion) as a means of control over the population?


this is why there is separation of church and state.

they simply do not belong together.


the bible says god is beyond definition.


as soon as you try to define god you loose

You lose, as you have not read the source that you are quoting. Let me show you what I mean.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+4:8

1 John 4:8 (New International Version)

"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
-The Bible

Sounds like a definition to me.