obama wins!!!!!!!

Mr Mowgli · Post by **Mr Mowgli** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:02 pm

about time!

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:20 pm

Wow, I can still hardly believe it!

As for whether Obama will change anything.....he already has!! He's changed the mood of this country and given more than half the people reason to hope...not just for what he might accomplish as President, but hope that anything is possible - a middle-class black man can become president in a landslide while running a campaign on issues, not mudslinging!

I keep thinking about my own path getting here. When Obama first announced his candidacy I was really excited about him. Then I went to an early rally and was rather disappointed, and had just found out about Ron Paul. I immediately jumped into full support of Paul, dissing Obama, and generally thinking I knew everything about politics, economics, issues, etc. Over the last year I've learned more about all that, Ron Paul lost, and my own self-righteous refusal to vote for Obama slowly eroded until I watched the 3rd debate and became convinced....not just to vote against McCain, but to vote for Obama. I really didn't think I'd be sitting here today thinking about President-elect Obama until just a few weeks ago.

I really liked Ron Paul, but first and foremost he would never ever ever get elected. I see that now. I don't even know if I really agree with his policies anymore...I just don't know enough, and there is a potential for lots of harm....it just doesn't seem like realistic ideas. Politics is the art of the possible, and in that sense I think Obama has the better platform because he is actually president now with some good ideas, whereas Ron Paul lost months ago with some more radical good ideas. So, what's the use of radical ideas that never get implemented? Just to soothe the ego of the person holding those ideas? That person can always say "Well, if they'd just done it my way we'd all be a lot better off" when really you don't know because it's all theoretical because the ideas are too radical to be put into action. I'd rather go the path that is less radical and self-satisfying, and actually get something small done.

stringtapper · Post by **stringtapper** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:40 pm

Ok I voted for the guy, now where's my check?

dysanfel · Post by **dysanfel** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:42 pm

I voted for Obama.

What scares me is that the very big businesses that are threatened by an Obama presidency did not support McCain with the money needed to beat Obama. If Obama plans a wind-fall tax on oil companies, force US automakers to make 150MPG cars, wants to give every American the same health care that senators get, then why did they not give more money to McCain? If you were Exxon wouldn't you give up millions to prevent the loss of hundreds of millions?

A cynic would say that there is no threat to change. Perhaps the 'Voice of Change' may just be that....a voice with no substance.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:01 pm

dysanfel wrote:I voted for Obama.

What scares me is that the very big businesses that are threatened by an Obama presidency did not support McCain with the money needed to beat Obama. If Obama plans a wind-fall tax on oil companies, force US automakers to make 150MPG cars, wants to give every American the same health care that senators get, then why did they not give more money to McCain? If you were Exxon wouldn't you give up millions to prevent the loss of hundreds of millions?

A cynic would say that there is no threat to change. Perhaps the 'Voice of Change' may just be that....a voice with no substance.

I worry about the same thing. The fool in me likes to think that maybe some of the people at "the top" also understand that things need to change, for the preservation of the country and for the preservation of their own way of life.

Maybe there are some decent, patriotic people in the upper economic strata after all....

Time will tell.

I heard on NPR this morning that not only did the majority of voters earning under 50k vote for Obama, but the majority of voters earning above 200k did as well.

The second group is the interesting group, as this is where Obama's proposed tax changes will begin to be felt in the form of an increase in taxation, yet the majority of them still voted Obama.

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:25 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_buffet

gaijin1717 · Post by **gaijin1717** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:31 pm

Emissary wrote:It will be interesting to see how he copes with the huge international incident a few weeks after his inauguration .

Was no one else concerned by this statement????

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:35 pm

Emissary is going to start something. You heard it here first.

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:40 pm

gaijin1717 wrote:
Emissary wrote:It will be interesting to see how he copes with the huge international incident a few weeks after his inauguration .
Was no one else concerned by this statement????

just going by what his VP and many other people have said. They all said he will face a large international crisis within his first few months.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymy0Woaz81U

abort · Post by **abort** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:41 pm

I'm really happy about this!

I still need a fricken job though.

Mr Mowgli · Post by **Mr Mowgli** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:43 pm

I voted Obama and i live in the UK! lol

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:09 pm

You mean like Russia announcing this morning they want to put missles near Europe?

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:15 pm

Emissary wrote:
gaijin1717 wrote:
Emissary wrote:It will be interesting to see how he copes with the huge international incident a few weeks after his inauguration .
Was no one else concerned by this statement????
just going by what his VP and many other people have said. They all said he will face a large international crisis within his first few months.

hello, where have you been? we are all ready waste deep in this crisis.

hey, who was taking bets a couple months ago? didn't kranky win some duckets?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:23 pm

Tarekith wrote:You mean like Russia announcing this morning they want to put missles near Europe?

Why is that an issue? Don't we already have missiles in europe aimed at them? I'm almost certain of it.

I hope Obama doesn't look at Russia the way McCain does. Basically it's as if we can do no wrong, (Iraq doesn't count) and they can do no right (Georgia OMG!). Just stupid IMO.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:24 pm

Tarekith wrote:You mean like Russia announcing this morning they want to put missles near Europe?

you know, it would be more accurate to phrase that as "Russia responds to weird aggressive USA plan to put missiles on the border of Russia"

I can see the Russian point of view, they had an agreement with Bush snr that the US and NATO would not put missiles on the Russian border. Guess what - Bush jnr ignores it and puts missiles there. So the Russians are going to respond. It makes sense to me.

these American 'defense' missiles are supposedly being installed to defend the USA against Iran. Iran has begun testing a missile with a range of 1,240 miles. Iran is about 2000 miles away from poland. Iran is about 6000 miles from the USA. Nice one USA.

Why not put these "defense" missiles in Israel if they are to defend anyone at all against Iran .. surely they wouldn't complain .. and it's about 1000 miles closer.

Unless the Russians are right and this "defense sheild" is in fact an aggressive missile system pointing directly at Russia across their border.

Obama's first act, don't mess with the Bear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6720153.stm