Anyone good at programming Novation Remote SL??

malenko · Post by **malenko** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:59 pm

Ive just got mine and WOW!!!! Its amazing! Wish Id bought it a long time ago as straight away it has ignited my creativity ...... but .... there are a couple things that nag me and need sorting.
In automap 40, the Live map, all of the encoders are mapped to selected devices in Live but I would much rather them be mapped using the pots instead. I cannot whatsoever get the pots to work instead of the encoders. It wouldn't be so bad if I could adjust the encoders to how they control the parameter i.e. speed of turn or steps but I just can't figure that out either
Anyone got any idea?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:11 pm

AFAIK you can't move the automap from the pots to the encoders.

my advice... learn to use it as it is, automap isn't made to be tweakable. let it teach you how it wants to be used before you try to wrestle with it. it's a great device until things get wonky, then it can be a real bitch to wrangle back into place.

look for posts from RJ Dubya/Winston/Glitchrock Buddha (same guy) on the SL, he knows it really well.

Geezus · Post by **Geezus** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:36 am

its not a good idea to mess with the ableton live automap (template 40) as that would require hacking the automap script that they developed.

If you want to control any vsts (non native plugins), it is advisable to switchh to automap universal on template 38. This utilizes the new automap 2.0, which is fucking radness. Using automap universal you can customize the controls any way you want, as well as enable MIDI CC templates for traditional MIDI control assignments.

Jekblad · Post by **Jekblad** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:30 am

i use template number 40 most of the time.

if i quit the automap server, it behaves the same way. My question is this:

Is it working as a "control surface" in Live or as "Automap"?

I could never get the automap server to recognize the remote zero, but then since it controlled live just fine i left it alone

malenko · Post by **malenko** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:03 pm

Ok sound, I won't mess with it and i'll learn to live with but I really would like to change how the encoders behave. I mean with a pot, one turn and you can cover the whole range but with the encoder it can take two twists which then sounds jerky.
You can change this in the Universal template 38 which I am using, that template really is the nuts but if i could just change the sensititvity of the encoders then everything would be peachy

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:21 pm

Automap is pretty cool, but I'm a control freak, so I never use it. I just use the excellent software to program it myself.

My favorite part about this controller is definitely the software. I also like the fact that you can change the LCD tags on the knobs.

johnathon doe · Post by **johnathon doe** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:24 pm

I have an sl25.

I haven't done a lot of custom templates, but it is possible.

However, you'd have to create a new map for each project, if they are
different.

novationmusic.com
should have the program where you can adjust each midi map.

peace

Geezus · Post by **Geezus** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:26 pm

malenko wrote:Ok sound, I won't mess with it and i'll learn to live with but I really would like to change how the encoders behave. I mean with a pot, one turn and you can cover the whole range but with the encoder it can take two twists which then sounds jerky.
You can change this in the Universal template 38 which I am using, that template really is the nuts but if i could just change the sensititvity of the encoders then everything would be peachy

You can change the sensitivity of the encoders. Either you change the step size in automap 2.0 interface or you can change the encoder acceleration in your global preferences.

malenko · Post by **malenko** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:15 pm

When I'm using template 40 the GUI interface says it's offline, (fine with any other map) so I cant adjust anything from there and in Global preferences there's no acceleration adjustment,

Novation products and their automap really are something else but the novation site is useless. The answer base is limited and there's no forum for asking questions like this. Shame

Geezus · Post by **Geezus** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:11 pm

malenko wrote:When I'm using template 40 the GUI interface says it's offline, (fine with any other map) so I cant adjust anything from there and in Global preferences there's no acceleration adjustment,

Novation products and their automap really are something else but the novation site is useless. The answer base is limited and there's no forum for asking questions like this. Shame

true, but their support department rocks and most of these questions are answered in their documentation already.

If template 40 says its offline it means you didn't set shit up right in your ableton preferences or your automap server is disabled.

encoder acceleration is changed through the automap server icon, not the global menu. sorry

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:37 pm

Geezus wrote: If template 40 says its offline it means you didn't set shit up right in your ableton preferences or your automap server is disabled.

The automap server has nothing to do with template 40. It doesn't even need to be on or installed even to use template 40.

Geezus wrote: encoder acceleration is changed through the automap server icon, not the global menu. sorry

It sounds to me like he wants to use template 40 - ableton automap. AFAIK you cannot change encoder acceleration in template 40. And I don't believe that changing it through the automap server will have any effect on template 40. Automap server is for plug-in control or midi client.

Malenko, it bothers me too that the encoders are rather shite in template 40. And I have also tried to figure out a way to switch the automapping form the encoders to the knobs, but I didn't find a way. If you do find a way please let me know. There was also a nifty little app someone made as an alternative to ableton's automapping with template 40. MCE for SL or something. It was a hack of template 40. Do a search, you'll probably find it easily. I think it got to version 0.3.

Michael Hatsis · Post by **Michael Hatsis** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:52 pm

Geezus wrote:
malenko wrote:Ok sound, I won't mess with it and i'll learn to live with but I really would like to change how the encoders behave. I mean with a pot, one turn and you can cover the whole range but with the encoder it can take two twists which then sounds jerky.
You can change this in the Universal template 38 which I am using, that template really is the nuts but if i could just change the sensititvity of the encoders then everything would be peachy
You can change the sensitivity of the encoders. Either you change the step size in automap 2.0 interface or you can change the encoder acceleration in your global preferences.

Is there a way to change the accel of the encoders without using automap? if so would you be able to point me in the direction? Have an sl, don't use automap- checked the inboard global prefs and the soft editor - google . Couldn't find anythang.

Khazul · Post by **Khazul** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:04 pm

Tone Deft wrote:my advice... learn to use it as it is, automap isn't made to be tweakable.

Nor useable...

Geezus · Post by **Geezus** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:02 am

mike@TrackTeam Audio wrote:
Geezus wrote:
malenko wrote:Ok sound, I won't mess with it and i'll learn to live with but I really would like to change how the encoders behave. I mean with a pot, one turn and you can cover the whole range but with the encoder it can take two twists which then sounds jerky.
You can change this in the Universal template 38 which I am using, that template really is the nuts but if i could just change the sensititvity of the encoders then everything would be peachy
You can change the sensitivity of the encoders. Either you change the step size in automap 2.0 interface or you can change the encoder acceleration in your global preferences.

Is there a way to change the accel of the encoders without using automap? if so would you be able to point me in the direction? Have an sl, don't use automap- checked the inboard global prefs and the soft editor - google . Couldn't find anythang.

the acceleration is controlled by the server, which responds to how fast you twist the rotaries and compensates by either slowing or speeding up how many steps are moved. I checked to see if its in any of the global options and I dont think it is, but there are ways to configure it through directly editing the Control Change settings (section 14.1 of the manual).

Tone Deft wrote:
my advice... learn to use it as it is, automap isn't made to be tweakable.aaaaaaa

Nor useable...

couldn't be more wrong. I find automap to be the most usefully tweakable controller I've ever used. I can create maps and edit things in far more depth and detail than I could with any of my previous controllers, which results in me being able to use my SL in ways I couldn't with normal stuff. Plus the automap server allows me to jump back and forth between all open maps at the same time, thus eliminating the need for me to constantly remap shit over and over in every project. Its a godsend if you know how to use it.

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:07 am

Geezus wrote:
the acceleration is controlled by the server, which responds to how fast you twist the rotaries and compensates by either slowing or speeding up how many steps are moved.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure the OP is talking about using the ableton mixer automap - template 40. The automap server is only used for template 38. Adjusting acceleration through the automap server should have no effect at all on the rotaries while in ableton automap. If someone would like to prove me wrong, I'd be grateful.