Trying to get ableton quantize to sound like mpc ...

[Moody]

MPC swing and Ableton swings are fundamentally different. The MPC 1/16th swing moves the 2 and 4 forward AND the 3 and 5 backward. Most 1/16th swings, including Live's, only move the 2 and 4 forward.

Thanks for the tech on that. This is why I implied it seems to be best to do some manual shuffling as well. This seems to be the best solution in Live at the moment.

I think you can sort of simulate a MPC swing by using the Live swing and adding a negative delay on the track.

Genius!

[b0unce]

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[dj superflat]

i don't think you mean 3 and 5 right? (maybe 1 and 3, or is it really just on the one of the second measure that the MPC applies the swing?)

[teknobryan]

i don't think you mean 3 and 5 right? (maybe 1 and 3, or is it really just on the one of the second measure that the MPC applies the swing?)

no the MPC groove doesn't affect the 1 on a one bar loop. All the other 16th notes move though. You can go into Reason and apply the MPC grooves and watch the notes move.

[starving student]

so where does that leave us

[beatpoet]

hi, I am programing with drum racks and I am noticing that when i set the quantizing to 1/16 or 1/32 it still doesnt have that same feel as the MPC when I trigger the samples. Is there some swing adjustment I have mised to give it the same default mpc 2000 feel? I know you can adjust swing in the bottom but which setting will make it most minmic the feel of the mpc?

The way an MCP quantises MIDI is not strictly 'linear', if you get me ?

It's slightly off at different positions, it has quirks, that's why it sounds different.

You can use groove templates in other programs to emulate it but you'll need different templates for each turn of the knob, if you get me. Just pick a position that sounds good, record the midi and make a groove template out of it. And apply that to your MIDI. You cannot do this in Live yet though.

[Tone Deft]

You cannot do this in Live yet though.

yes you can.

arrange view, drop in the template on track 1
drop the other audio bits on the other tracks
select them all
warp track 1, the others follow.

it's more for warping recordings that are a whole band recorded at once into separate tracks. I would like to see groove templates implemented better.

[beatpoet]

You cannot do this in Live yet though.

yes you can.

arrange view, drop in the template on track 1
drop the other audio bits on the other tracks
select them all
warp track 1, the others follow.

it's more for warping recordings that are a whole band recorded at once into separate tracks. I would like to see groove templates implemented better.

Sweet, didn't know that.

Cheers Tone.

[opuswerk]

can you do that with MIDI too ?

[suie_paparude]

try sample producer's goldbaby freebie mpc templates that can be loaded in live.these are midi files.

http://www.goldbaby.co.nz/freestuff.html


to apply all these mpc quantize settings try this :
1.load a rim stick sound in a sampler.
2.load a midi file from goldbaby and play that rim stick sound
3.render audio
4.manual edit warp markers for the rendered file to match exactly the rim stick sounds.
5.copy the sound clip in the arrangement on an audio track and loop it for several measures
6.set the master tab to "on" in clip properites

this clip int he first track of your arrangement will behave like a groove template for all your arrangement and will force-control tempo of your song in order to behave like the original mpc midi file.
you can consider this first track like a master track that controls your swing for all the other tracks

in this way all your audio and midi clips that you will bring in the arrangement will have mpc feel )

hope this helps
mihai

[lola]

try sample producer's goldbaby freebie mpc templates that can be loaded in live.these are midi files.

http://www.goldbaby.co.nz/freestuff.html


to apply all these mpc quantize settings try this :
1.load a rim stick sound in a sampler.
2.load a midi file from goldbaby and play that rim stick sound
3.render audio
4.manual edit warp markers for the rendered file to match exactly the rim stick sounds.
5.copy the sound clip in the arrangement on an audio track and loop it for several measures
6.set the master tab to "on" in clip properites

this clip int he first track of your arrangement will behave like a groove template for all your arrangement and will force-control tempo of your song in order to behave like the original mpc midi file.
you can consider this first track like a master track that controls your swing for all the other tracks

in this way all your audio and midi clips that you will bring in the arrangement will have mpc feel )

hope this helps
mihai

Too bad beatrepeat and delays won't be affected by that groove

[leisuremuffin]

i'm waiting for the plug in that you stick you dick in a tube, and it reads your desire, and produces your own "daft punk" tune.

dick in a tube plug ins are the future.


.lm.

[suie_paparude]

try sample producer's goldbaby freebie mpc templates that can be loaded in live.these are midi files.

http://www.goldbaby.co.nz/freestuff.html


to apply all these mpc quantize settings try this :
1.load a rim stick sound in a sampler.
2.load a midi file from goldbaby and play that rim stick sound
3.render audio
4.manual edit warp markers for the rendered file to match exactly the rim stick sounds.
5.copy the sound clip in the arrangement on an audio track and loop it for several measures
6.set the master tab to "on" in clip properites

this clip int he first track of your arrangement will behave like a groove template for all your arrangement and will force-control tempo of your song in order to behave like the original mpc midi file.
you can consider this first track like a master track that controls your swing for all the other tracks

in this way all your audio and midi clips that you will bring in the arrangement will have mpc feel )

hope this helps
mihai

Too bad beatrepeat and delays won't be affected by that groove

I think beat repeat and delays ARE affected by the groove.
Master clips are dealing with automating the tempo according to warp markers so,
if you watch the tempo values , they change very rapidly according to your warp master clip's markers and also you can se the red automation dot in the tempo display.
beat repeat and delays are tempo related and they change in relation with tempo value change.

i think it's a nice workaround from ableton in fact it's more creative,playing with master clip's markers i can create groove templates of my own,and saving the clips as groove templates for further use in my songs.
in fact you can have from measure 1-to 16 for example mpc 60 feel and from 16- to the end half speed dubstep feel or anything you can find good sounding after playing with master clip's warp markers.
it's nice to hear your whole song's feel is changing only moving a little bit one marker.

hope this helps,
mihai

[Mr Mowgli]

The best way I fid to get your own swing is to literally layer your own wav drums, and move them around per sound until you get a more natural vibe, the natural funk of a good drummer is the fact thats its slightly out of time funnily enough!

[babkubwa]

nice tips suie_paparude! cheers