the cruelest christmas gift ever

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:25 pm

aizo wrote:
Machinate wrote:
aizo wrote: Kids don't know shit and if you never fucking discipline them, they are gonna be fucking useless in the REAL world.
Let me guess: You were disciplined severely by your parents, and "you turned out alright"?

I don't mean this to be a personal attack: that way of talking is an dead give-away in many cases.
not really, I learned my lesson many times. But some shit didn't stick too. I didn't fear my parents I respected them and still do. They worked hard as fuck but didn't take it out on me. But if I wasted what little I got or didn't appreciate it, I got a rude awakening. Discipline isn't the back of someone's hand. It's teaching your rat that the world doesnt give two fucks about you and you need to fucking get used to it.

for the record being cruel to anyone isn't fucking cool kids or adults. but kids need to be woke the fuck up because it stands right now they are huge piles of shit.
don't believe me? go over to 4chan and get yourself a lesson.

So what in your mind should your hard working parents have done differently? I'm not getting this post. You basically aren't/are accusing your parents of something, but it's not clear.

I think it's quite obvious that 4chan is filled with kids whose parent's were/are as cruel as this kid relatives in the video, and honestly humor is a way of working out that hurt. It sucks when they attack some random person, yeah, but most of the time it's nasty jokes there, from what I can tell.
Strange internet phenomena anonymous message boards. I'm actually surprised they haven't been shut down?

aizo · Post by **aizo** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:29 am

I'm sorry, I should have said it differently. No, they did a great job. They shouldn't have done anything differently. I was saying they used discipline. they way they did, didn't cause me to fear them. i respected them.

as far as the "not sticking" comment, it's just that no matter how much you know something is wrong you are going to do it anyway. I really should have left it out. just a useless confusing bit.

4chan i think is not full of kids that their parents are in any way cruel to them. i think it's quite the opposite. full of kids that their parents let them do whatever they like.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:05 am

aizo wrote:I'm sorry, I should have said it differently. No, they did a great job. They shouldn't have done anything differently. I was saying they used discipline. they way they did, didn't cause me to fear them. i respected them.

as far as the "not sticking" comment, it's just that no matter how much you know something is wrong you are going to do it anyway. I really should have left it out. just a useless confusing bit.

4chan i think is not full of kids that their parents are in any way cruel to them. i think it's quite the opposite. full of kids that their parents let them do whatever they like.

Again, I'm confused, you're totally happy with your parents level of discipline, although obviously from your feelings about discipline, much higher than I got for instance, yet you still made mistakes that you couldn't help doing.

Yet, you believe that other kids etc. are more spoiled etc.

Look, no offense, but if you agree 100% with your parents discipline level, then say you still had problems, well then their methods didn't work, according to your own rules. Either admit that you don't know exactly how to solve this problem, or explain what your parents could have done to prevent you from messing around etc. Either way, stating value judgements on other parents like you imply with the 4chan kids is entirely hypocritical.

What it comes off like is you using the same lack of cohesive logic that my coworkers did about their own upbringing. You had a high level of discipline, yet chose to screw around, and don't see any connection there. IMO, people who are raised with a firm hand tend to be the ones most likely to end up messing up the biggest.
No surprise that people raised by mellow parents who talk through everything end up mellow.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:00 am

aizo wrote:4chan i think is not full of kids that their parents are in any way cruel to them. i think it's quite the opposite. full of kids that their parents let them do whatever they like.

first of all, "do whatever they like" isn't the opposite of "in any way cruel to them". Often the cruel and disciplinary parents are the inconsistent ones without real boundaries, but with arbitrary logic for disciplining (they may have had a bad day, hence: child beating)

Secondly:

I will wager that *prisons* are full of men and women that were abused as kids. In fact, that's a case that's been made in heaps of studies.
So it goes like this:

4chan is full of unabused kids.
prisons are full of abused kids.

- take your pick. Personally, 4chan ain't so bad compared to prison.

telekom · Post by **telekom** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:30 pm

Someone said this kid is now so damaged he'll probably be an axe murderer. Ah well, at least with an Xbox he can play some brutal wargames when he's far too young and develop a healthy sense of bloodlust to accompany his later compassion fatigue from news reports of major catastrophes. All this will go nicely with his sense of entitlement to lots of trashy consumer gadgets in his life to make him no better or worse than any other Western kid.

navitus · Post by **navitus** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:39 pm

The voice behind the camera says "we cant afford an Xbox 360, now look at the camera and cry!".......wow for insensitivity!

when this kid grows up, he will walk into the house smiling and yell out : "Mom!!! Ur cancer test reports showed up!! Ur safe, ur safe!! ---- Then she will read the report and it will say : Oops mom, i lied, ur dying, now look at the camera and die!!"

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:41 pm

telekom wrote:Someone said this kid is now so damaged he'll probably be an axe murderer. Ah well, at least with an Xbox he can play some brutal wargames when he's far too young and develop a healthy sense of bloodlust to accompany his later compassion fatigue from news reports of major catastrophes. All this will go nicely with his sense of entitlement to lots of trashy consumer gadgets in his life to make him no better or worse than any other Western kid.

they all said the same about us and our ataris and punk rock, heavy metal and rap

we're not that bad are we?

telekom · Post by **telekom** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:06 am

forge wrote:
telekom wrote:Someone said this kid is now so damaged he'll probably be an axe murderer. Ah well, at least with an Xbox he can play some brutal wargames when he's far too young and develop a healthy sense of bloodlust to accompany his later compassion fatigue from news reports of major catastrophes. All this will go nicely with his sense of entitlement to lots of trashy consumer gadgets in his life to make him no better or worse than any other Western kid.
they all said the same about us and our ataris and punk rock, heavy metal and rap

we're not that bad are we?

Indeed Forge, and the interests of the children of this generation which we disapprove of are likely no worse then the interests we had... well except for the kids who like making snuff movies and smoking crack.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:07 am

Mr. Obvious · Post by **Mr. Obvious** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:11 am

"the cruelest christmas gift ever" was given by Bruce Jeffrey Pardo

rozling · Post by **rozling** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:22 am

+1, horiffic.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:43 am

Mr. Obvious wrote:"the cruelest christmas gift ever" was given by Bruce Jeffrey Pardo

oh I bet you'll be able to find worse tales out there...
I believe the battle for Leningrad spanned a Russian winter? (history fail)

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Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:59 am

Machinate wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:"the cruelest christmas gift ever" was given by Bruce Jeffrey Pardo
oh I bet you'll be able to find worse tales out there...
I believe the battle for Leningrad spanned a Russian winter? (history fail)

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2000+ winters and counting.

(respect to the believers, having a bit of fun.)

Mr. Obvious · Post by **Mr. Obvious** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:59 am

Machinate wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:"the cruelest christmas gift ever" was given by Bruce Jeffrey Pardo
oh I bet you'll be able to find worse tales out there...
I believe the battle for Leningrad spanned a Russian winter? (history fail)

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That's a good one but that's a horrific battle during Christmas. Pardo dressed as Santa and shot the eight year old that answered the door in the face. For starters...

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:24 am

Mr. Obvious wrote:
Machinate wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:"the cruelest christmas gift ever" was given by Bruce Jeffrey Pardo
oh I bet you'll be able to find worse tales out there...
I believe the battle for Leningrad spanned a Russian winter? (history fail)

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That's a good one but that's a horrific battle during Christmas. Pardo dressed as Santa and shot the eight year old that answered the door in the face. For starters...

My point was that you can always find worse things out there... that's been the turning point of this whole debate "whether or not something is *the worst*".

Single-worst event ever on Christmas? Tsunamis? Earthquakes? Volcanoes exploding? Wars? Or Santa shooting a kid. 's all I'm sayin'