3dot... wrote:Machinesworking wrote:3dot... wrote:
...that is a grouse simplification of things... also... what's white ?
I tried talking to you about these things in PM, and you ran out of air. Sorry man, you're so involved in defending Israel that you really can't be unbiased about this, shit, you live in the winning side of the conflict?
I feel for you, and respect your fears, yet I also think your government, like mine, is as responsible for creating the environment that nurtures terrorists as the terrorists themselves.
I don't remember 'running out of air'....
You dropped the conversation when we were going over the fact that England promised the Palestinians the same land they promised the jewish people.
and I'm not on a 'winning' side...
there are no winners...
If death count is any indicator, your country is pulverizing the enemy. and always has been.
only people that want to live in peace...
no one is enjoying this....
I think the religious leaders on both sides, and Israeli settlers in the Gaza strip prove otherwise. They seem to be enjoying it.
and naturally I'm involved... being born and raised here...
although I do not think I'm biased...
only trying to explain what the feelings are around here...
This is maybe unintentionally disingenuous, at the least your oversimplifying
the simple FACT that being born into a conflict like you have will color your perspective, no matter what. Kudos for adding your voice to the discussion though, regardless of your rather silly appraisal of your bias.
My position for instance doesn't come from any family bias, I know and have no close Palestinian or even arab friends, and many jewish friends, of those only half agree that Israel is out of line most of the time, and needs to alter it's policies on a grand scale if this animosity is to ever subside.
you guys get fired up ONLY when Israel's army acts....
and do not consider the time 'in between' in which Israeli citizens are bullied on a regular basis for 60+ years now...
on it's various borders... and within them...
Like I've said over and over again, the fact that Israel was created on a broken promise to the Palestinians has NEVER been dealt with. That alone is the starting point of all this, yet it's tactically ignored by Israel and the rest of the western worlds governments
funny you should talk about Lebanon...
the situation in Lebanon was only slightly different....
the govenment there was too weak to take responsibility for Hezbolla firing continously over the north border...
while Israel has no real beef with Lebanon....
currently most efforts and funds that were used by Hezbollah have been routed to Gaza ...
I too... hate this situation... it's pretty hopeless...
I sure hope my generation...
will succeed in ending our conflicts with the Arab world...
It will change when you and your government recognize your own culpability in the creation of terrorists, otherwise 60+ more years of aggression is in your future.
and it has very little to do with OUR government...
Israel only responds to threats to it's existance...
if there were peaceful people on the other side... then this war would not have been...
I love it. Kudos to you for being so honest in your obvious bigotry. Though I'm sure you'll come back with some attempt at covering up what you just said here!
It's amazing how little responsibility you're willing to take for your governments ruthless oppression of people, all in the name of "stopping terrorism" by land grabbing, setting up permanent fortresses in foreign countries, bulldozing houses, 'smart' bombing suspected terrorist areas, which are always in some bastards back yard, shooting and killling kids who throw rocks..... the list goes on.
It's the same here in the states, a conflict will be seen as successful if the body count on our side is low, regardless of the other side. This of course NEVER works, and is to me the primary reason for fundamentalist movements worldwide. To resist an enemy that outguns you, it seems the common reaction is to dig firmly into your ethnicity and religion.
Which seems to be the case with Israel as well, they can't justify this if they only include Palestinians, but if they consider the entirety of the arab world as their enemy, then the aggressor is HUGE!
Then a common enemy with enough power to fear is found.
BTW Israelis for the most part are white, western cultured people in an area of brown people that have been colonized and subjugated by western powers for hundreds of years now. This is why I will always think that England didn't give up Israel to the jewish people as a free piece of property. England has a history of divide and conquer, and setting a minority up with all the leverage in an area with a hostile majority. Sound familiar?
