finally a new format for music

[mkelly]

I just can't believe how behind these media companies are - people in the real world regularly download multi-gigabyte files such as entire feature films, if they really want 192kHz/64bit audio quality I'd wager most people would still much rather download it in the comfort of their own home than go out and buy a stupid little SD card

Maybe we sitting here behind our computers are not representative of the population in general. There are still a lot of people out there who like to leave the house and do a spot of shopping. There are people who don't have broadband. There are people who don't have computers. Let's not fall into the trap of assuming every consumer shares our adoption of technology. My father in law has two radios. One is tuned to one station. The other is tuned to another station. He turns them on and off as necessary cause he's happier doing that than re-tuning. Sounds unthinkable in this day and age, but it's true. He's one end of the spectrum - we're probably at the other. There's probably a lot of people in the middle who still value the physical medium.

[forge]

I just can't believe how behind these media companies are - people in the real world regularly download multi-gigabyte files such as entire feature films, if they really want 192kHz/64bit audio quality I'd wager most people would still much rather download it in the comfort of their own home than go out and buy a stupid little SD card

Maybe we sitting here behind our computers are not representative of the population in general. There are still a lot of people out there who like to leave the house and do a spot of shopping. There are people who don't have broadband. There are people who don't have computers. Let's not fall into the trap of assuming every consumer shares our adoption of technology. My father in law has two radios. One is tuned to one station. The other is tuned to another station. He turns them on and off as necessary cause he's happier doing that than re-tuning. Sounds unthinkable in this day and age, but it's true. He's one end of the spectrum - we're probably at the other. There's probably a lot of people in the middle who still value the physical medium.

I'm not really just talking about computers - but things like iPhones/Smart phones are also significant new technologies which are going to be increasingly pervasive as time goes on - we're now in the wireless age where anything is available wherever you have a signal in a short space of time

without knowing your father in law, I'd be willing to bet he'll be more than happy to just keep buying CDs as long as they are on sale when he feels the need to buy music

if he's anything like my 71 year old uncle he probably has a computer and the internet and can even burn his own CDs - something which is well established and highly attractive as far as physical formats go

I really can't see this SD card thing being that much of an incentive for people like that to change at all

not when they can buy blank CDs for a few cents

[mkelly]

I'm not really just talking about computers - but things like iPhones/Smart phones are also significant new technologies which are going to be increasingly pervasive as time goes on - we're now in the wireless age where anything is available wherever you have a signal in a short space of time

Maybe you're right, but to be honest I hope not. Music anywhere and everywhere is a scary thought. I already see people who download massive amounts of music because the ease of downloading (legal or otherwise) means that music is becoming about quantity and not quality.

I guess I'm starting to see this thread becoming a debate about whether a physical medium is still on the cards (no pun intended) for music of the future. Until uncompressed downloads are widespread and cost effective, I'll be firmly in favour of physical distribution of uncompressed music.

[ResonanceMan]

I just can't believe how behind these media companies are - people in the real world regularly download multi-gigabyte files such as entire feature films, if they really want 192kHz/64bit audio quality I'd wager most people would still much rather download it in the comfort of their own home than go out and buy a stupid little SD card

Maybe we sitting here behind our computers are not representative of the population in general. There are still a lot of people out there who like to leave the house and do a spot of shopping. There are people who don't have broadband. There are people who don't have computers. Let's not fall into the trap of assuming every consumer shares our adoption of technology. My father in law has two radios. One is tuned to one station. The other is tuned to another station. He turns them on and off as necessary cause he's happier doing that than re-tuning. Sounds unthinkable in this day and age, but it's true. He's one end of the spectrum - we're probably at the other. There's probably a lot of people in the middle who still value the physical medium.

Yeah, i think this whole media card thing is a sure fail. But
a new dimension is opening up (the new world) and soon analog broadcasts will be gone. when your grandpa is forced to go buy a digital receiver in a few months or a year, he will have the opportunity to have files downloaded to his digital radio. But of course, that won't be without a form of digital I.D. and electronic transfer of funds. Yeah, songs will be broad-casted for free, but they will have the option to hit a button, and keep the song on file for a small fee from a list of recently played songs. Trust me, this will happen. That is the near future. I live in the States, and in 30 days, analog TV broadcasts are history. HD radio which is actually 16bit 44.1khz, is already here, and analog radio is about finished. Hello DVR and shortly after, the ability to purchase TV shows right through the box. I have cousins who are my age, who still have absolutely no idea what a torrent is, or even how to use the internet. People will buy into this, and of course, they will pay for mp3 crap.

What we need to do, is gather a bunch of semi popular artists, conglomerate to a new server, offer them hansom percentages from the profits, and sell CD quality format music for CHEAP!!!! Anything under $1 per track. People will wait a few extra minutes for a better sounding track. Most people can't tell the difference between mp3 320kbps and CD quality, simply because they never listen to them back to back. Those people who like to shop for CD's should still be able to do so, but charging someone MORE MONEY for a CD quality song downloaded online is absurd. Doesn't it defeat the purpose? I mean seriously, I can get a CD in perfect quality for less than what I'd pay online and get a physical produced product that I can touch. Seems to me like there are a few A-holes at the top of this online music selling business who are royally F'ing over the rest of the planet. I'm willing to be an honest customer and not steal music online, but the online distributors have got to meet us half way. I'm talking TO YOU BEATPORT & APPLE. It's like, they're raping us for the sake of saving gas or something.

Oh yeah, about people being on the other end of the spectrum, I for-see a division among the populous of the world. One that is beyond borders and nations. probably gonna end up in a war of one form or another. Not to veer off subject but.... I can see RFIDs or biometrics being a necessary part of this transition. Have you watched TV lately?

So what are we gonna do about it?
Nothing, just sit back like a bunch of irresponsible consumers, and eat the crap that's spoon fed to us daily, so we can make a few smarter A-holes super rich, while we fail to learn to how to take responsibility for our interests as a whole. I say, the new world should be run by US, meaning, ALL OF US. The person who makes the music should reap all the profits from it. No more piggy backs. No more middle men, lets use the technology for our advantage.

Who's with me?

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[forge]

.... I can see RFIDs or biometrics being a necessary part of this transition. .....

Who's with me?

lol..
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sorry, you've lost me

[mkelly]

.... I can see RFIDs or biometrics being a necessary part of this transition. .....

Who's with me?

lol..
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sorry, you've lost me

He's not just lost me, he's kinda scared me!

[STRATEGY_510]

Should be, depending on the material. Most dancefloor/DJ orientated stuff is not heavily layered and with tons of dynamic range, so that is fine.

One other good reason for not using compressed files though is that it takes more CPU to play them, as they need to be uncompressed - Live converts them into temporary .wav files in the background. Each time you introduce an mp3, the CPU will spike for a few seconds while it converts the .wav file.

320 should fine in and of itself, but if you use the tracks in a DJ set you will likely mix it down to mp4 at some point for sharing, at which point it's now been encoded to mp3 twice.

I sometimes hear flanging from this, or else I'm imagining it.


STRATEGY

[STRATEGY_510]

Should be, depending on the material. Most dancefloor/DJ orientated stuff is not heavily layered and with tons of dynamic range, so that is fine.

One other good reason for not using compressed files though is that it takes more CPU to play them, as they need to be uncompressed - Live converts them into temporary .wav files in the background. Each time you introduce an mp3, the CPU will spike for a few seconds while it converts the .wav file.

320 should fine in and of itself, but if you use the tracks in a DJ set you will likely mix it down to mp4 at some point for sharing, at which point it's now been encoded to mp3 twice.

I sometimes hear flanging from this, or else I'm imagining it.


STRATEGY

[sroom3000]

<sarcasm>oooohhh a device that you can carry in your pocket that interfaces with another device to let you hear music. wow! revolutionary!! what shall we call it? a CASSETTE?</sarcasm>

so stupid. i can't believe these losers have the nerve to call a storage card a "new format". idiots.

[dj_huck]

yeah but akon is the spokesman for it..
doesn't that make it better?
huh?
its akon..

that is a good joke

[Jekblad]

yeah screw physical formats!

ESPECIALLY laptops.....

And live musicians.....



............And of course, "Live" musicians.

[8O]

If they released stuff on SDXC then that would be more interesting - 2TB capacity - that's 400-500 albums at SACD quality!

...but then it would still be a physical format and therefore doomed to failure...

[mkelly]

If they released stuff on SDXC then that would be more interesting - 2TB capacity - that's 400-500 albums at SACD quality!

...but then it would still be a physical format and therefore doomed to failure...

Wow - that looks like the perfect way to lose all your personal data in one fell swoop!