david icke speaks to alex jones: jan 2009

silverlulu · Post by **silverlulu** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:37 pm

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z642m0W35 ... 6D&index=0

UKRuss · Post by **UKRuss** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:59 pm

Nutters.

silverlulu · Post by **silverlulu** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:14 am

interesting theory you have there.

forge · Post by **forge** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:10 am

I really don't get that poor bugger Icke. I mean, even if he's right, nothing has happened in the 20 years since he humiliated himself on Wogan that would have stopped him just getting on with it an having a normal life.

Even if it's all true, how is he going to stop these lizard people?

the western lifestyle doesn't feel that oppressive to me, even if there are invisible lizard people running the world does it really stop us running Ableton Live and logging on the internet to see what happens at NAMM?

waste of a perfectly good life if you ask me.

UKRuss · Post by **UKRuss** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:53 am

Conspiracy theories always hold fascination for the masses. Somewhere Icke is someones god.

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:25 am

david icke speaks to alex jones: jan 2009

and what did say? I thought they hated each other

crumhorn · Post by **crumhorn** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:28 am

barking

silverlulu · Post by **silverlulu** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:12 am

forge wrote: the western lifestyle doesn't feel that oppressive to me, even if there are invisible lizard people running the world does it really stop us running Ableton Live and logging on the internet to see what happens at NAMM?

waste of a perfectly good life if you ask me.

well it depends how you look at it... there has been a lot of talk that the internet is going to be replaced gradually with a more monitored and restricted 2nd version of the internet. already, all our emails and websites we visit are stored so they can help against "the war on terror" *bullshit* *cough* *bullshit* *lies* *lies*

you don't have to be wearing a tin hat to realise that we are monitored all the time. walking through town centre you get picked up on like 100 cameras. it's all slowly and subtly introduced in to our lives so we don't make a fuss.

yes we have a certain amount of freedom right now. but i think most will agree that we are getting less and less each year.

i am not saying that i believe everything these two say, but to dismiss it all as bullshit is just as naive as believing every word they say right down to the letter. i just find that is important to hear and listen to the other side, research what you have questions on and make your own judgments. people that come in and say that are mad really need to grow up, that is painfully ignorant.

fatrabbit · Post by **fatrabbit** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:25 am

silverlulu wrote:
forge wrote: the western lifestyle doesn't feel that oppressive to me, even if there are invisible lizard people running the world does it really stop us running Ableton Live and logging on the internet to see what happens at NAMM?

waste of a perfectly good life if you ask me.
well it depends how you look at it... there has been a lot of talk that the internet is going to be replaced gradually with a more monitored and restricted 2nd version of the internet. already, all our emails and websites we visit are stored so they can help against "the war on terror" *bullshit* *cough* *bullshit* *lies* *lies*

you don't have to be wearing a tin hat to realise that we are monitored all the time. walking through town centre you get picked up on like 100 cameras. it's all slowly and subtly introduced in to our lives so we don't make a fuss.

yes we have a certain amount of freedom right now. but i think most will agree that we are getting less and less each year.

i am not saying that i believe everything these two say, but to dismiss it all as bullshit is just as naive as believing every word they say right down to the letter. i just find that is important to hear and listen to the other side, research what you have questions on and make your own judgments. people that come in and say that are mad really need to grow up, that is painfully ignorant.

I think you've watched Eagle Eye too many times. A film that takes ridiculous plot lines to extraordinary levels.

Yes, we get caught on CCTV when we walk around a city, but they're mostly privately owned cameras. You often hear the stat that everyone gets caught on 300 cameras a day - but that is only true if you are walking around the very centre of London and are not a hermit.

Are all our web browsing prefs and e-mails really stored by some central gov agency? ISPs can't even do this - think of the computing and storage needed - not to mention 9 out of 10 emails are junk.

Last time I checked the gov can't even encrypt and hold onto a few laptops or usb flash drives, and their IT projects (think NHS systems or new centralised 999 call centres) usually fail in epic proportions. But this is all part of the plan if you are someone like Icke I guess.

silverlulu · Post by **silverlulu** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:36 am

no i haven't even watched eagle eye. but from what you are saying you obviously don't keep up-to-date with the news.

this is a link from bbc's own website talking about the database. this has been discussed on the news and on poiltical programs and its been all over the internet and newspapers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7671046.stm

and this is a direct quote from it...

"Details of the times, dates, duration and locations of mobile phone calls, numbers called, website visited and addresses e-mailed are already stored by telecoms companies for 12 months under a voluntary agreement. "

it would only be speculation to say whether they lost that data intentionally or not. the point is that they have information about us and they want more. a lot of people aren't even aware.

silverlulu · Post by **silverlulu** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:37 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7410885.stm

fatrabbit · Post by **fatrabbit** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:42 am

silverlulu wrote:no i haven't even watched eagle eye. but from what you are saying you obviously don't keep up-to-date with the news.

this is a link from bbc's own website talking about the database. this has been discussed on the news and on poiltical programs and its been all over the internet and newspapers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7671046.stm

and this is a direct quote from it...

"Details of the times, dates, duration and locations of mobile phone calls, numbers called, website visited and addresses e-mailed are already stored by telecoms companies for 12 months under a voluntary agreement. "

it would only be speculation to say whether they lost that data intentionally or not. the point is that they have information about us and they want more. a lot of people aren't even aware.

But at the moment they are proposals - and I can't see it happening. Both in terms of legality and practicality. Sure, a lot of bad stuff has been done under the guise of anti-terror laws hastily brought in, but that can't continue indefinately - the public can't be scared all the time.

silverlulu · Post by **silverlulu** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:44 am

ISP's already hold it and police can already access it, the proposal is to hold it in one central database and to hold it for longer. you said "ISPs can't even do this - think of the computing and storage needed". i am simply saying they can and they do. and it could get worse.

UKRuss · Post by **UKRuss** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:00 pm

I think it's good for someone to be concerned about it but by the same token there is a large leap between the information being stored and imagining it is being used for some clandestine purposes.

We live in an information age, thats how it is. I don't see any evidence of a conspiracy to invade my life with this information.

Oyster cards run on RFID technology and theoretically can pinpoint my exact whereabouts geographically at any given time.

BUT there is a large gap between my understanding the capability of the technology to do that and the actuality of someone bothering to actually do it.

Mainly I believe and use an Oyster card as it is a convenient way to pay for my public travel and i trust that the operator uses my information for that purpose and that purpose alone.

Icke, I am sure, does not have an Oyster card.

He should though, they're really convenient.

dopepoo · Post by **dopepoo** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:47 pm

UKRuss wrote:
Icke, I am sure, does not have an Oyster card.

He should though, they're really convenient.

Yeah Icke! Give it a try; you might like it! Given the choice between personal freedom and optimising my journeys on the London underground? Oyster everytime!

I'm too lazy to not be suppresesd by my government anyway!