New akai ableton controller

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:00 pm

I've been waiting for a clip launching matrix with feedback for five years now:

Hidden Driveways wrote:I nerded out and photoshopped my a while ago:

Looking at the APC40 for the first time was similar to the first time I saw an electric guitar. Our instrument arrived today, and it's more beautiful and simple and elegant than I had imagined.

OUR CLIP MATRIX IS HERE!!!!

anamexis · Post by **anamexis** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:07 pm

abletoff wrote:I dare to think it can't cost more than 400$ and even that would be hard to justify. It is an Ableton specific product, it's not a generic controller which can be adapted to every daw..

"Works with most MIDI recording, sequencing, and performance software" -Product Overview PDF

So, despite being an "Ableton Performance Controller," it can be used with anything, apparently.

siliconarc · Post by **siliconarc** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:09 pm

abletoff wrote:I dare to think it can't cost more than 400$ and even that would be hard to justify. It is an Ableton specific product, it's not a generic controller which can be adapted to every daw. btw it as not got any display or fancy lcds, just leds and rubber and metal. So the real cost of this is the idea, the dev and the material, which is about (to me) $ 300 street level, or little more.

In my mind, a $450 bundle max for live + akai controller would be killer. Max for Live I suppose is for Live only and it's got its own price reference to define, it has more or less nothing to do with Max/msp as it exsts now.
So I'm thinking about 400 alone, about 500 software bundled. Hopefully.

keep dreaming there man! if you're even remotely near, i'll eat my own ass.
tarekith said $799 for the controller, i reckon that's nearer the mark. seriously, these new bits and bobs are going have an RRP of at least $WTF.99 each

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:11 pm

garyboozy wrote:
abletoff wrote:I dare to think it can't cost more than 400$ and even that would be hard to justify. It is an Ableton specific product, it's not a generic controller which can be adapted to every daw. btw it as not got any display or fancy lcds, just leds and rubber and metal. So the real cost of this is the idea, the dev and the material, which is about (to me) $ 300 street level, or little more.

In my mind, a $450 bundle max for live + akai controller would be killer. Max for Live I suppose is for Live only and it's got its own price reference to define, it has more or less nothing to do with Max/msp as it exsts now.
So I'm thinking about 400 alone, about 500 software bundled. Hopefully.
keep dreaming there man! if you're even remotely near, i'll eat my own ass.
tarekith said $799 for the controller, i reckon that's nearer the mark. seriously, these new bits and bobs are going have an RRP of at least $WTF.99 each

I've taped my mouth shut...

infiniteB · Post by **infiniteB** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:15 pm

I take it there are more than 1 banks of 8 tracks for faders? Yes? No? And would you switch the 5*8 matrix to a new new set of 5 by pressing a button, or... ?And that the grid has both "temporary" and "toggle" with LED showing you status for anything you assign one of those buttons to (specifically on/offs, mutes, etc.), not just "3 colors for clip status"? Anyone have any ideas?

anamexis · Post by **anamexis** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:17 pm

infiniteB wrote:I take it there are more than 1 banks of 8 tracks for faders? Yes? No? And would you switch the 5*8 matrix to a new new set of 5 by pressing a button, or... ?And that the grid has both "temporary" and "toggle" with LED showing you status for anything you assign one of those buttons to (specifically on/offs, mutes, etc.), not just "3 colors for clip status"? Anyone have any ideas?

The directional pad is labelled "Bank Select". So I'm assuming independent scene and track banks.
They've said that it will be totally customizable with Max for Live, so I'm assuming the grid can do about anything you want.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:17 pm

garyboozy wrote:keep dreaming there man! if you're even remotely near, i'll eat my own ass.
tarekith said $799 for the controller, i reckon that's nearer the mark. seriously, these new bits and bobs are going have an RRP of at least $WTF.99 each

$800!?!? that's retarded. it's just a USB knob box FFS, little to no brains in that box, just a USB chip and a simple microcontroller. no more than $400, more like $250. you guys are too easily impressed.

just waking up, where the fuck are the informational threads? lots of really bad joke threads.

siliconarc · Post by **siliconarc** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:21 pm

Hidden Driveways wrote:
garyboozy wrote:
abletoff wrote:I dare to think it can't cost more than 400$ and even that would be hard to justify. It is an Ableton specific product, it's not a generic controller which can be adapted to every daw. btw it as not got any display or fancy lcds, just leds and rubber and metal. So the real cost of this is the idea, the dev and the material, which is about (to me) $ 300 street level, or little more.

In my mind, a $450 bundle max for live + akai controller would be killer. Max for Live I suppose is for Live only and it's got its own price reference to define, it has more or less nothing to do with Max/msp as it exsts now.
So I'm thinking about 400 alone, about 500 software bundled. Hopefully.
keep dreaming there man! if you're even remotely near, i'll eat my own ass.
tarekith said $799 for the controller, i reckon that's nearer the mark. seriously, these new bits and bobs are going have an RRP of at least $WTF.99 each
I've taped my mouth shut...

hehe.. taped up to keep in that sales-dude pricing knowledge?

andydes · Post by **andydes** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:23 pm

infiniteB wrote:I take it there are more than 1 banks of 8 tracks for faders? Yes? No? And would you switch the 5*8 matrix to a new new set of 5 by pressing a button, or... ?And that the grid has both "temporary" and "toggle" with LED showing you status for anything you assign one of those buttons to (specifically on/offs, mutes, etc.), not just "3 colors for clip status"? Anyone have any ideas?

I think they said you could navigate the grid left, right and up and down around the session view. Assume this would be the same with the faders, as they line up with the buttons.

3 colours for clip status was present, playing and recording. No light if there's no clip. Whether it's muted would be shown by the light on the mute button. It would be nice if clips about to play would flash, but who knows.

condra · Post by **condra** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:24 pm

£399 and ETA April.

http://www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php?id=1100

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:24 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
garyboozy wrote:keep dreaming there man! if you're even remotely near, i'll eat my own ass.
tarekith said $799 for the controller, i reckon that's nearer the mark. seriously, these new bits and bobs are going have an RRP of at least $WTF.99 each
$800!?!? that's retarded. it's just a USB knob box FFS, little to no brains in that box, just a USB chip and a simple microcontroller. no more than $400, more like $250. you guys are too easily impressed.

Dude the akai mpd32 is 299-399. 299 right now at for example sweetwater. This new one will likely be 499 on-line.

I don't see much in terms of display. Not even an LCD? It seems like it would be hard to know what bank everything is currently on.

lola · Post by **lola** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:25 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
garyboozy wrote: $800!?!? that's retarded. it's just a USB knob box FFS, little to no brains in that box, just a USB chip and a simple microcontroller.
.

Akai licence the brand ableton, or vise versa.
They have to share profit i think

Not gonna be cheapy ....maybe

andydes · Post by **andydes** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:26 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
garyboozy wrote:keep dreaming there man! if you're even remotely near, i'll eat my own ass.
tarekith said $799 for the controller, i reckon that's nearer the mark. seriously, these new bits and bobs are going have an RRP of at least $WTF.99 each
$800!?!? that's retarded. it's just a USB knob box FFS, little to no brains in that box, just a USB chip and a simple microcontroller. no more than $400, more like $250. you guys are too easily impressed.

just waking up, where the fuck are the informational threads? lots of really bad joke threads.

Try this for the controller:

http://www.akaipro.com/apc40#

The max-live thing was mentioned by Akai in their presentation about this. It's been commented on by Robert, but only a few hints, nothing official.

sublimelobc · Post by **sublimelobc** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:27 pm

I dunno Tone, I was thinking $799 sounded about right as well...Look at what people pay for a monome. The sexy factor alone warrants the price.

I have to admit I'm still giddy...call me easily impressed, but it's a helluva good day to be an Ableton fanboy!

condra · Post by **condra** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:28 pm

condra wrote:£399 and ETA April.

http://www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php?id=1100