maybe it uses transients, but the easiest way to calculate tempo is just using the length of the loop. that has room for error, but i am sure it will favor mid range temposMeef Chaloin wrote:I don't really understand how the synching thing works, is it calculated from transients or something? So for instance if I played a one note drone and looped it how would ableton know what the tempo was?
Looks like a great device but it seems like there could be some shortcomings with it.
Looper discussion
After the first loop is recorded the bpm of the set is probably calculated by dividing the duration of this loop by the number of beats in the time signature, probably with one or two options.Meef Chaloin wrote:I don't really understand how the synching thing works, is it calculated from transients or something? So for instance if I played a one note drone and looped it how would ableton know what the tempo was?
Looks like a great device but it seems like there could be some shortcomings with it.
You could give them to me. I'm always in need of a free pedalyeah i can't say thanks enough for this. can't wait to try it out.
only requires 1 pedal well, hell what am i gonna do with the other 9 pedals on the FCB 1010
It syncs in the same way any clip syncs in session view. You can trigger a recording either quantized or with no quantization at all.Surreal wrote:maybe it uses transients, but the easiest way to calculate tempo is just using the length of the loop. that has room for error, but i am sure it will favor mid range temposMeef Chaloin wrote:I don't really understand how the synching thing works, is it calculated from transients or something? So for instance if I played a one note drone and looped it how would ableton know what the tempo was?
Looks like a great device but it seems like there could be some shortcomings with it.
If the first thing you do is recording a loop, the tempo of your Live set will be set according to the length of that first loop.
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But how does the looper know that I'm playing 1 bar or 5 bars, 8 or 16? Surely 5 bars could be an equal length to 2 bars at a different tempo, for example, causing live to get the tempo wrong?hoffman2k wrote: It syncs in the same way any clip syncs in session view. You can trigger a recording either quantized or with no quantization at all.
If the first thing you do is recording a loop, the tempo of your Live set will be set according to the length of that first loop.
Sell it and buy a simple footswitch, the APC40 has room for twobencodec wrote:yeah i can't say thanks enough for this. can't wait to try it out.
only requires 1 pedal well, hell what am i gonna do with the other 9 pedals on the FCB 1010
Everything is just falling into place so nicely with this version of live, MTL, APC, looks like the era of workarounds is over, for me at least.
I fucking LOVe this little critter, supremely cool action, very quick, and not hard like the "stomp" type from Roland, for instance. internal polarity switch thing.
http://www.dv247.com/invt/4858/
http://www.dv247.com/invt/4858/
The thing is - it CAN get it wrong, as really there's no foolproof way of determining what you are thinking of as you play one 4 second burst of notes. Was that 120 bpm , 60 bpm ? 240 bpm ?Meef Chaloin wrote:But how does the looper know that I'm playing 1 bar or 5 bars, 8 or 16? Surely 5 bars could be an equal length to 2 bars at a different tempo, for example, causing live to get the tempo wrong?hoffman2k wrote: It syncs in the same way any clip syncs in session view. You can trigger a recording either quantized or with no quantization at all.
If the first thing you do is recording a loop, the tempo of your Live set will be set according to the length of that first loop.
It just makes a good guess at it. It's really intended to get you up and running in a freeform manner, I think it's not appropriate if you are just going to play 32 bars of improve and then segue into your languid pre-prepared breaks. Because, of course, if you were intending to bring in a pre-made bassline or some loop underneath then there could be problems if they leap in at 240 bpm under your mid-tempo loop.
In that case (where you are going to segue into pre-made material) I personally would approach the performance differently anyway. I would start with a visual interpretation of the tempo basis as it exists and then play along to that - and then bring in the pre-constructed elements (clips/samples/etc)
handily the Live Looper has a f'ing huge beat display so you can see where you are at in the bar, even if you can't hear it. I tend to use headphones and a click for this stuff - but the big visual indication is a reaaaaly handy backup.
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you can get applications that turn any USB device input into a keystroke. you could get hold of a game controller and use that if you liked. Then map the 'keystroke'.ebowla wrote:so lets say your a guitarist like me and you have an interface with no midi say and no midi footswitch or midi keyboard controller .Is there still a pedal out there that will do it say a usb pedal?
that way i dont have to bring my ozonic or borrow my dads m audio sustain pedal
In the past I have controlled Live by using a USB skateboard game controller.
ok digging the yamaha and roland units .thanks guys goin to guitar center in a few .major gas going on here since the namm announcements .Tweeking hard for a real tube guitar amp with nice tone and cheap price .
This heads 3 bill new and makes me shit when i hear this youtube clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQjADxog0Es
straight into the head . I want to track thru a tube amp and guitar rig simultaneously.
This heads 3 bill new and makes me shit when i hear this youtube clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQjADxog0Es
straight into the head . I want to track thru a tube amp and guitar rig simultaneously.