A simple question

coldbuggin · Post by **coldbuggin** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:27 pm

All of the people listed on the site are either dj's or describe using ableton as a sketchpad and then rewiring into pro tools and the like.

Is there any known, Professional project that was tracked and mixed in ableton?

Smashed Hat · Post by **Smashed Hat** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:16 pm

Yep, these two releases were both done in Ableton from start to finish:

http://www.djdownload.com/mp3-detail/Ma ... rds/311191

http://www.djdownload.com/mp3-detail/Th ... rds/325408

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:05 pm

http://www.ableton.com/pages/artists/list

coldbuggin · Post by **coldbuggin** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:30 pm

Hidden Driveways wrote:http://www.ableton.com/pages/artists/list

like i said, i looked through the artists list...the only ones who use ableton for everything are the dj's listed, all the others do mixing in other programs.

coldbuggin · Post by **coldbuggin** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:03 pm

Smashed Hat wrote:Yep, these two releases were both done in Ableton from start to finish:

http://www.djdownload.com/mp3-detail/Ma ... rds/311191

http://www.djdownload.com/mp3-detail/Th ... rds/325408

again, this isn't what i was asking about, i'm asking about a non remix/dj project that was both tracked and mixed in ableton and is a professional release.

boska · Post by **boska** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:40 pm

Thom Yorke - The Eraser?

Though I doubt he did the entire mix and/or master himself, I belive the music is made exclusively in Live.

The artist list on ableton.com contains alot of musicians and bands who can not in any way be classified as a remix/dj-thing. Eivind Aarseth, Daft Punk, NiN.... jesus! There are also alot of guys who work in TV/movies...

I suppose these musicians (and myself) as a general rule combine sonic material from instruments and various sources, using live as their workspace. When you release something on vinyl/cd, it passes through so many other than the musicians' hands anyway, chances are some of them prefer another daw for their part of the mix/master. The main point is the compositional process, to which any piece of equipment adds its signature, Live being no exeption. This kind of perspective makes Live more of an instrument for alot of musicians, instead of a traditional daw.

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:49 pm

Don't take this the wrong way, CB, but what difference does it make?

Lazos · Post by **Lazos** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:49 pm

coldbuggin wrote: i'm asking about a non remix/dj project that was both tracked and mixed in ableton and is a professional release.

May I politely ask why this is important to you?

8O · Post by 8O » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:51 pm

Hidden Driveways wrote:Don't take this the wrong way, CB, but what difference does it make?

No, I don't think Live was available when The Smiths recorded that.

...I'll get my coat.

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:14 pm

8O wrote:
Hidden Driveways wrote:Don't take this the wrong way, CB, but what difference does it make?
No, I don't think Live was available when The Smiths recorded that.

...I'll get my coat.

Wow. Did I unintentionally quote Moz? Huh. Something good did come out of this thread after all.

coldbuggin · Post by **coldbuggin** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:32 pm

it doesnt make a difference to me, it is merely a curiosity as i have fully transitioned into live (with some reservations). seems like the only one that sort of fits what i was asking for is "the eraser." i do wonder if he mixed it in live though. and again, i have read the list of artists that "use" ableton. and again, if you actually read the descriptions most of the non remix/dj artists do not use it for tracking & mixing.

j2j · Post by **j2j** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:04 pm

coldbuggin wrote:most of the non remix/dj artists do not use it for tracking & mixing.

Mate, it entirely depends on what you are doing.

No, Ableton would not be my first choice to record:

1. A live concert of a musical act, consisting of traditional, and non electronic instruments.

2. A studio album of a musical act consisting of traditional, and non electronic instruments.

Basically, if I was working with non electronic instruments, I'd still go Pro-Tools. After that, my next choice would be Logic, or Sonar, and finally Cubase....

Ableton, if I had no other tools available to me.

Now, for electronic genres... Ableton is awesome. Live is used by tons of artists, but if you want to hear, "only the biggest names," than you are going to have a problem.

Musical artists, especially ones with their own sound, all have their own workflow, and you wont get much overlap.

You can find artists like BT, who own and use everything under the sun, and you can find Astrix, who have been doing the same shit, for years and years, with a Nord Lead and Cubase... And not much more...

coldbuggin · Post by **coldbuggin** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:11 pm

i guess the question was not simple after all

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:39 pm

There are probably many who do but who choose just to get on with making music.

As for this forum - my observations are this - the majority of people are not DJs (they are a significant minority and welcomed), the majority of people are producing some type of electronic music, about 50-50 use solely Live for everything.

I produce electronic music and indie/alternative/rock and although I have Cubase, I rarely use it to rewire. I occasionally use it to mix larger projects, as it is more CPU friendly and the mixer screen looks less cluttered on dual monitors. But Live is good enough to do everything in and I do mostly everything in it.

Hidden Driveways · Post by **Hidden Driveways** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:04 pm

I use Live for everything. Electronic to acoustic. Drum machines and drum sets with a drummer. I own Pro Tools as well, and it just sits there.

A lot of this has to do with the fact that I'm most comfortable working in Live. I don't have to figure out how to do things, my knowledge of getting around the program is fluid.

Whenever I have done work in Pro Tools, later on I regret it and wished it was in Live so I could mess around with it more.

I disagree with the notion that Live is better suited for electronic music. In the end it's a visual leap that has to be made, not a sonic one.

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