[Max for Live] what will be the first device you'll build ?

sporkles · Post by **sporkles** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:20 pm

Depends a bit on what the price of M4L will be, but if Ableton doesn't want to
implement this simple feature, I suppose I'll bloody well have to do it myself:

The only problem is that I don't know the first thing about Max, so I might
shy away if it seems to daunting...

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:21 pm

nbinder wrote:...something to store MIDI controller data snapshots

yes please.

julienb · Post by **julienb** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:57 pm

nebulae wrote:
julienb wrote:Personnaly, I'll try to clone impulse in order to get mute / solo control via midi !!!

I'd like to use it because of the coherence of rythm pattern: all in one clip, etc

Oh man, I'm so sorry to inform you that that's the one thing you CAN'T do with Max for Live. You prolly haven't heard, huh? http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=105489

cloning device?
I know..
but create mine.. no prob

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:01 pm

A sort of version of Rewire. Basically Cycling 74 have Soundflower as a downloadable audio streaming between applications protocol, couple that with setting up MFL hopefully as a MIDI hub between, and you can 'rewire' between two hosts or any audio/midi application, thus allowing you to use say Logic, DP, Kore, Mainstage, etc. alongside Live synced, and with audio and MIDI streaming into Live.

Hopefully this can be worked out to open as 'presets', so you just open MFL preset for Kore, adjust settings in Kore and away you go.. You could easily use Logic instruments with Mainstage in Live, and Kore could run stand alone , thereby more than likely saving loading time between sets.

julienb · Post by **julienb** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:17 pm

Machinesworking wrote:A sort of version of Rewire. Basically Cycling 74 have Soundflower as a downloadable audio streaming between applications protocol, couple that with setting up MFL hopefully as a MIDI hub between, and you can 'rewire' between two hosts or any audio/midi application, thus allowing you to use say Logic, DP, Kore, Mainstage, etc. alongside Live synced, and with audio and MIDI streaming into Live.

Hopefully this can be worked out to open as 'presets', so you just open MFL preset for Kore, adjust settings in Kore and away you go.. You could easily use Logic instruments with Mainstage in Live, and Kore could run stand alone , thereby more than likely saving loading time between sets.

nice

LeifonMars · Post by **LeifonMars** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:19 pm

3rdordertrauma wrote:
Geezus wrote:MIDI device that generates complex LFOs, step sequencer, and Multi-point envelope that can be assigned to any parameters in the channel at the press of a key. This way you can rack em and have unlimited lfos, step sequencers, and multi-point envelopes controlling all instrument AND effect plugin parameters, expanding the capabilities of all the plugins way beyond what they came with (unless we're talking about Alchemy which is about as bad ass as it gets)
And I hope you do!! And I hope you share! Actually I would be happy with just the multi-point envelopes part of it.

Myself... well I'll be learning max first... I'm sure that will absorb a good chunk of time.

3rd, you're back! If I would have any spare time in the future I would spend it by sharing all my Max patches with you (all two of them). Hope you and your family are doing well!

LeifonMars · Post by **LeifonMars** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:19 pm

Edit: double

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:24 pm

I'd like to get the monome apps working in Live, just get it set up so I don't have to launch Live plus another external app to use the monome.

other than that I want to see what happens when you connect this to that and tie it to that thing over there and route it through the thing with a knob on it.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:27 pm

friend_kami wrote:
nbinder wrote:...something to store MIDI controller data snapshots
yes please.

I already got a patch for that. I was going to incorporate it in my BCR application but that would shut it out from everybody else.
Once I released the latest version of the BCR app I'll see if I can get this out as a little application.
And although its ready for Max for Live, its probably best as an external app. Since you'll need to send MIDI to Live's remote input and that probably wont be easy if you cant use virtual midi within patches.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:48 pm

hoffman2k wrote:
friend_kami wrote:
nbinder wrote:...something to store MIDI controller data snapshots
yes please.
I already got a patch for that. I was going to incorporate it in my BCR application but that would shut it out from everybody else.
Once I released the latest version of the BCR app I'll see if I can get this out as a little application.
And although its ready for Max for Live, its probably best as an external app. Since you'll need to send MIDI to Live's remote input and that probably wont be easy if you cant use virtual midi within patches.

Random questions here. Does Soundflower incorporate into Max/MSP as a device or do you still configure it outside MSP like you would with any other app you wanted to stream audio from?
In regards to building a Rewire style audio/midi streaming MFL setup, is this even worth the effort do you think? As it stands you can do this with IAC and Soundflower etc. but it would be nice IMO to have something built into MFL that opened up in a set etc. Just not sure if it's really practical? For instance I'm sure you can set up Max as a device in OSX's AudioMIDI setup and access it with other apps, but can you do something similar with MFL?

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:50 pm

i know there's a pre-built seq in there. but i want the lurching off center rhythms of a good ol fashioned analog style seq. now i can build it!

.lm.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:53 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
friend_kami wrote: yes please.
I already got a patch for that. I was going to incorporate it in my BCR application but that would shut it out from everybody else.
Once I released the latest version of the BCR app I'll see if I can get this out as a little application.
And although its ready for Max for Live, its probably best as an external app. Since you'll need to send MIDI to Live's remote input and that probably wont be easy if you cant use virtual midi within patches.
Random questions here. Does Soundflower incorporate into Max/MSP as a device or do you still configure it outside MSP like you would with any other app you wanted to stream audio from?
In regards to building a Rewire style audio/midi streaming MFL setup, is this even worth the effort do you think? As it stands you can do this with IAC and Soundflower etc. but it would be nice IMO to have something built into MFL that opened up in a set etc. Just not sure if it's really practical? For instance I'm sure you can set up Max as a device in OSX's AudioMIDI setup and access it with other apps, but can you do something similar with MFL?

I think not. They said Max for Live doesn't include Audio/MIDI drivers for Max. Which means both audio and MIDI will only be coming in and out of Audio/MIDI tracks.

There are always workarounds though. You could use something like UDP to make your patch in Live communicate with an App. But then why not use the external app for storage.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:21 pm

hoffman2k wrote: I think not. They said Max for Live doesn't include Audio/MIDI drivers for Max. Which means both audio and MIDI will only be coming in and out of Audio/MIDI tracks.

That's too bad, I was hoping a MFL patch would negate the need to call up the IAC midi driver and set up Soundflower etc. not a deal breaker. In a way I should just set up Automator to do this anyway. Not sure if the script would translate to other macs though?

There are always workarounds though. You could use something like UDP to make your patch in Live communicate with an App. But then why not use the external app for storage

UDP is?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:31 pm

Machinesworking wrote:UDP is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Datagram_Protocol

Its like the IAC driver, but faster and compatible with external computers or computers over the internet too.

stringtapper · Post by **stringtapper** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:24 pm

First patch will be a port of a simple FM randomizer that I use with Max 5 ReWired into Live. Fun for just getting some material going to write parts over. Randomizes the carrier frequency, modulator frequency and modulator amplitude. Working on adding modulation index in there as well. And the best part is the method I've used to make the randomizers sync with Live won't be nearly as complex with M4L.

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