what do you think of the price of maschine

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:06 pm

show me some other hardware drum pattern step sequencer and maybe ill forget about machin(how ever you spell it)e

as it is now, i know of no other alternative.
while i can pattern step sequence with my pK it's very limited.

anyone wanna buy a tr-909?

Filterheadz · Post by **Filterheadz** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:22 pm

@ewistrand

1. how does it integrate with a host? can you drag the patterns into the host and build your song from there?

2. can you import midifiles?

3. can maschine work without the controller?

thanx,

bert

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:29 pm

doc holiday wrote:show me some other hardware drum pattern step sequencer and maybe ill forget about machin(how ever you spell it)e

as it is now, i know of no other alternative.
while i can pattern step sequence with my pK it's very limited.

anyone wanna buy a tr-909?

the mpc has a stepsequencer
can also be used as a controller including template setups
and no need for a mouse.

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:38 pm

mpc doesn't have a step sequencer like this.
there is no feedback on the pads

i sold my mpc after using it for 8 years.. don't miss it.

I think maschine is more along the lines of an MPC then anything else.

I am skeptical with NI and will wait for some reviews. maybe find someplace with a satisfaction guarantee

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:06 pm

doc holiday wrote:mpc doesn't have a step sequencer like this.
there is no feedback on the pads

i sold my mpc after using it for 8 years.. don't miss it.

I think maschine is more along the lines of an MPC then anything else.

I am skeptical with NI and will wait for some reviews. maybe find someplace with a satisfaction guarantee

I hear ya but honestly the mpcs have changed quite a bit, the features are extensive and I find that most seasoned users don't really know about what they can do these days.
anyway its intresting point you brought up, alot of people actualy use the korg padkontrol along with an mpc I wonder if the mps stepsequencer lights up the padkontrol, i just sold mine last week or i'd check.

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:11 pm

I think Ni are walking a thin line with maschine, if anything it's nice to see a company take a risk like this, imagine the confrence room when they came up with it.

"i got this idea, lets make a drumsampler like the mpc and call it the Maschine"

"but we don't do hardware"

"it's ok, you'll still have to use the computer to use it"

"but then what's the point"

" well we'll market it to those people who don't like hardware, maybe the ex-mpc crowd and the fact that they have to use a computer still will be the selling point"

"cool, I get it and if they don't like that we'll tell them they don't have to use the mouse so then they won't notice that they have to use the computerrrrr"

"genius, you're going to get a raise for this one"

kb420 · Post by **kb420** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:19 pm

There is still one main benefit to using this over an MPC.

With Maschine, you are already inside the box. If you have a MPC, you still have to find a way to get your drums inside the box.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:31 pm

Stop with the overly simplistic "this is just drum racks on Live 7/8 with a MIDI pad controller" comparisons. The differences are many and have been listed on here several times over. If you're not interested in it then that's cool but it's not that simple of a device.

kb420 · Post by **kb420** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:44 pm

beats me wrote:Stop with the overly simplistic "this is just drum racks on Live 7/8 with a MIDI pad controller" comparisons. The differences are many and have been listed on here several times over. If you're not interested in it then that's cool but it's not that simple of a device.

Was that directed at me?

I didn't mean to oversimplify what it does. I apologize if I came off like that.

Actually, I'm a big fan of the tight integration of Maschine. I like the trend this year is showing. Products like the V-Studio 700, the APC40, and Maschine are the wave of the future. I think that we, as users, will continue to benefit from products like this.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:00 pm

kb420 wrote:
beats me wrote:Stop with the overly simplistic "this is just drum racks on Live 7/8 with a MIDI pad controller" comparisons. The differences are many and have been listed on here several times over. If you're not interested in it then that's cool but it's not that simple of a device.
Was that directed at me?

I didn't mean to oversimplify what it does. I apologize if I came off like that.

Actually, I'm a big fan of the tight integration of Maschine. I like the trend this year is showing. Products like the V-Studio 700, the APC40, and Maschine are the wave of the future. I think that we, as users, will continue to benefit from products like this.

Nah, it wasn't aimed directly at you but people are also posting the same type things in other Maschine topics or trying to insert other possible hardware swaps and as was mentioned there isn't anything else like Maschine on the market and for every "you could just use this and this" people have to AGAIN list the features that Maschine has and that doesn't.

Doesn't mean you have to like it or get one though. I just think people are missing the possibilities because they are too wrapped up trying to make comparisons or are annoyed it isn't hardware that doesn't need to be connected to a computer.

kb420 · Post by **kb420** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:06 pm

beats me wrote:I just think people are missing the possibilities because they are too wrapped up trying to make comparisons or are annoyed it isn't hardware that doesn't need to be connected to a computer.

I can't understand this at all. There are already plenty of options for hardware that dosen't need a computer. Does the music world really need another? That's not innovation. Maschine is innovation. There really is nothing like it.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:12 pm

kb420 wrote:
beats me wrote:I just think people are missing the possibilities because they are too wrapped up trying to make comparisons or are annoyed it isn't hardware that doesn't need to be connected to a computer.

I can't understand this at all. There are already plenty of options for hardware that dosen't need a computer. Does the music world really need another. That's not innovation. Maschine is innovation. There really is nothing like it.

Well, it would be the coolest thing ever if you could run it with or without the computer but I really didn't expect it and I'm not pissed that it doesn't do that. This would probably at least double the price.

Maybe people should be more pissed off that the legendary MPCs still don't have a computer application like Maschine.

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:16 pm

all i know is that at this point in time, mascine is giving me a woody

kb420 · Post by **kb420** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:20 pm

I don't think I will buy one. I'm gonna stick with Live, and just get the APC40.

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:27 pm

hey you guys!, I know what you're saying about maschine and I'll get my grubby little hands on one just because I believe in first hand experience in addition to opinions but I think all of the drumrack and hardware comparisons are fairgame and even a good idea. I don't think it's the case that people aren't looking at maschines features i mean come on we can all read the features I think it's a case of Ni have something intriguing here but they may have not gone far enough left or right rendering it not as useful as it could be, basicly we're all comparing it to hardware mpcs and to software drumracks and it's a valid comparison. I like beatsme finds the tagging system of maschine a very important feature but and I don't know if you use itunes beatsme but I've got a pretty good system going with itunes that spans a huge sample library im talking huge, and the cool thing about itunes is that i'm using it to listen to stuff all the time anyway so when ever I'm listing to music or samples i just tag the audio i'm intrested in myself, another thing I love about it is that it works a treat with my ipod, and you can just drag and drop into any app.

maschine might grow into being something more but it seems like it's taking the long way around to do the short thing.

now take the mpc for example, on mine I have 99 programs (templates slots) for impulse drumracks or anything else, also my paticular mpc comes with 6 outputs so it's nothing to route audio into Live, it's also easy to send audio from live back into the mpc it's got a usb connection, on top of this the mpc has 2 sets of midi i/o so I've got controlling the computer as well as other hardware covered pretty good.
like i said i'm still going to end up giving maschine a good once over at some time I just love beatboxes that much but it kind of looks like Ni need to cross one of those lines a little more whether it be software or hardware.