T5750 and T588 Core 2 Duo processors - how do they perform ?

nodea · Post by **nodea** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:05 am

In the topic name I misspelled 1 processor name, it's T5800 of course.

I decided to post this topic here, not sure if it will get enough attention in General section, hope so.

The thing is, I'm about to buy a new laptop soon and I have to consider a slower processor unfortunately, cause of the money problem.

I would like to know, what do you think of T5750 and T5800 Core 2 Duo processors ? They are both 2 GHz clocks, 5750 is on FSB 667 MHz and 5800 is on FSB 800 MHz (and it's the only difference). They both have 2 MB cache.

The best for me would be to hear from people who actually have them in their laptops and use constantly with Live, especially big projects, livesets. Or even have used for a while.

I'm sure someone here has it under the hood. Please share some thoughts. Thanks in advance.

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:47 am

nodea wrote:In the topic name I misspelled 1 processor name, it's T5800 of course.

I decided to post this topic here, not sure if it will get enough attention in General section, hope so.

The thing is, I'm about to buy a new laptop soon and I have to consider a slower processor unfortunately, cause of the money problem.

I would like to know, what do you think of T5750 and T5800 Core 2 Duo processors ? They are both 2 GHz clocks, 5750 is on FSB 667 MHz and 5800 is on FSB 800 MHz (and it's the only difference). They both have 2 MB cache.

The best for me would be to hear from people who actually have them in their laptops and use constantly with Live, especially big projects, livesets. Or even have used for a while.

I'm sure someone here has it under the hood. Please share some thoughts. Thanks in advance.

Theyre both mid end mobile chipsets. The 5800 will have slightly faster memory access, and possibly slightly faster disk reads. There will be a small difference between them, id pay no more than $30-50 for that difference. If you want to use it for big Livesets, really youd want to be looking at something like the 8300 which has the 2.4 clock and more cache. If you max out the RAM and get a good soundcard though you should have something thats good enough.

nodea · Post by **nodea** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:33 pm

Thanks adventurepants_.
I'm planning to start with 2 GB of RAM and possibly make it 4 GB in near future. However, I doubt that it will be necessary for my needs.
As for the processor, I'm sure T8** will be a better choice, not to mention T9** range

But as I mentioned I'm on a budget. Still waiting for some more replies. Any T5750 / T5800 users ?

nodea · Post by **nodea** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:20 pm

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:20 pm

I've got an acer notebook based on the 5750. I like it pretty well. Using Vista 32 bit with 2 GB ram.

This is the notebook I use for graphics stuff, it works well enough for that. I have two 17" notebooks for music, this one is a 15.4" but I have Live 6 in demo mode installed on it.

To give you an idea I have messed around a little running both the graphics program and Live 6 on it simultaneously with extended desktop display and it works ok, but haven't really pushed it with intensive livesets.

nodea · Post by **nodea** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:32 pm

Thanks mikemc!
It gives me a lot of info and good view what this processor is capable of.
Even though you didin't push it to the limit, a combination of graphics program and running live 6 on 2 monitors in the same time is quite enough I suppose.
I didn't expect such a good answer here, especially that there has been 2 people posting so far, except me.

Well, thanks again!

charly

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:54 am

I would suggest to go for outgoing higher end model , of whatever brand you select rather then new cheapest line. Someone else may be more competent to say if 7xxx or 8xxx will be better then those cheapo CPUs,the main thing are all the other components. In the higher end you will find what music gear likes-TI chips etc.And general build quality.
Since customers want the newest, fastest, fanciest-the big companies sell bulks of discontinued lines to specialized dealers.. Regular shops might be also having such models but mostly not that much cheaper then new line, sometimes even more expensive or showroom pieces, misused for months by customers. Those specialists are the deal.
When I realized that s-video out disappeared on all new notebooks (I needed 2nd notebook for VJing ), found one brand new from such a dealer for half what my friend paid for same model a year earlier.
Be it toothbrush ,carrot, trainers or a car, the cheapest is never worth it.

mikemc · Post by **mikemc** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:13 am

rikhyray wrote:I would suggest to go for outgoing higher end model , of whatever brand you select rather then new cheapest line. Someone else may be more competent to say if 7xxx or 8xxx will be better then those cheapo CPUs,the main thing are all the other components. In the higher end you will find what music gear likes-TI chips etc.And general build quality.

I think this is very true-- regarding Windows-OS systems, for a primary machine, I think the general specs should be at least 2GB of RAM for a 32 bit OS or at least 4 for a 64 bit (make sure the software and hardward drivers packages you want to use run well on 64bit) with a CPU "one or notches down from the fastest CPU out at the time", with a larger, faster hard drive.

And +1 to get this from a manufacturer that has been around for a while that provides systems built on motherboards that you can read good things about in reviews, and also where a discrete video card as a definite plus, because you may re-purpose the machine later.

I've found that the Vista "windows experience index" in the computer's system properties screen actually does gives you a fair idea of what your machine can do. If you are going to run Live on Vista and a store has a model of the notebook you want to buy out on the floor, click on that link in the system properties of the PC and see how each area of the system scores.

I would suggest that you definitely don't consider anything that gets less than 4.0 score on the CPU, Memory Operations and Data Transfer Rate- if these are all are rated close to 5 or above that is good (the overall score is kind of skewed, most notebook systems get rated lower on video which brings the whole score down).

Buying near the top but not necessarily right at the top gives you a good value that won't be obsolete in less than a year: today's $1500 laptop is three-years-ago's $2500+ laptop. When go to one of the "build and buy sites" you see the prices of the CPUs, the spec gaps between the top three are matters of 0.2-0.4 more GHz but the prices are not proportional-- is that 0.x GHz worth however many more hundreds?

ekwipt · Post by **ekwipt** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:19 am

Faster fsb will give you more samples (if that's your thing) otherwise not a heap of difference

bytheriver · Post by **bytheriver** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:14 pm

I have a laptop with a T5750 in it, and I generally have the following running:

Guru
Massive
Reaktor
Reaktor

+ some effects, sometimes a minimoog VST and ableton effects/drumracks

and I've never seen mine go above 60-70%

I actually have a C2D 3ghz desktop with 6mb cache sat next to my laptop, and i'm currently thinking of wiping one and starting again with a fresh 'just what I use' setup, and I'll probably use the laptop again.

Just because having a built in screen + a 2nd TFT is so much more useful to me right now than the massive extra CPU power of the desktop with only my TFT.

nodea · Post by **nodea** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:49 pm

Be it toothbrush ,carrot, trainers or a car, the cheapest is never worth it.

I totally agree with you. I follow that rule everytime I buy something valuable that I'm not planning to exchange or sell for a longer period of time

I'm still thinking of getting a faster CPU. Something is telling me that simply in 1 year (or 2) I will think that I gotta have more efficient machine for my needs. Better to invest a little more money now, why wait, why sell the cheaper one later. That's my rule also

I read a lot about Texas Instruments chipsets and how they work with firewire interfaces. I'm aware of the problems with different chipsets. However I'm not planning on getting a new external soundcard - no money for that yet. So far I'll have to stick to Rane's - SL1 interface from Scratch Live package. It does a fair job and sounds just fine at home and in the club environment.

mikemc - thanks again!
After I read your message I found somethign better, more expensive but better. The score you mentioned is 4.7 for this laptop (it's ASUS F8VA-4S017), so it should be totally fine for me.
As I wrote above, I rather spend more money now and have something good and solid for at least 4 -5 years.
I will be paying more not only for faster processor, but for more RAM, more USB ports, s-video/tv-out, operating system (unfortunatelly Vista, but there is no other way to get this model in my country I suppose). After quick calculation I decided that it's worth the extra money.

bytheriver - thanks as well for your input!
That one is much appreciated, cause it answers my question and gives me more information how Ableton + Reaktor may behave with T5750. Thanks a lot.

Just because having a built in screen + a 2nd TFT is so much more useful to me right now than the massive extra CPU power of the desktop with only my TFT.

I totally feel you on this one

My friend preffers to work this way. Laptop + extra monitor connected. Everything nicely placed on screens.

To sum up - thank you to all of you!

Extra input is still expected form anyone interested in the subject

T5750 and T588 Core 2 Duo processors - how do they perform ?

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