is it possible to make money from music any more?

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Post by JAMM » Sun Dec 19, 2004 4:52 pm

There is always a VERY small change you make some real money as a
recording of performing artist but there is more money in producing other bands or artist or work as sound enginer in a proffesional studio.
Even if you want to try to make it as a artist... in 9 out of 10 times you have to sell your soul and music to a label or a manager and do what they tell you to do. i think the best thing is to enjoy music in making and performing it.
And who knows maybe some day............... 8)

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Post by johnp352 » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:45 pm

some here are still talking about that thing called "making it"...then saying their brother/friend/dog made x times more being a "-" then being a musician..therefore, be a "-" and do music on the side etc etc.

o baby this has been going on for years.
hundreds of years.

Forge started the thread in an existential ink...how/why do i do this and still...and I think, yup you find the people who like what you do and sell them what you do.

One intermediate step I have always found helpful..is that when you are stuck in the dog deep of NOT finding anyone who will give you 10 cents (and btw, do any of you "the internet is the salvation of us musicians cause all youse gots to do is get yer tune on itunes" kiddies know how much Steve Jobs thinks your shit is worth? take a GOOD look here:
http://www.downhillbattle.org/
is to develop a few good relationships with other artists..and not neccessarily musicians either- to play your thang for..get feedback..talk about it fer christ sake..sort of what goes on here and at KVR etc (when it's not too full of the I am the greatest dj in Switzerland hype)..that way, you can get some nice ideas of what 's going on- how your art is going from one piece to the next-progress, which to me is the only gauge of an artists life.
Now what did that have to do with making $1 again...

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Post by stockbender » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:52 pm

“Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan, “press on” has solved, and always will solve, the problems of the human race.” - Calvin Cooledge

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Post by johnp352 » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:56 pm

stockbender wrote:“Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan, “press on” has solved, and always will solve, the problems of the human race.” - Calvin Cooledge

folks , read this over and over and over and over until it sinks.
i think Dubya is going for that effect, Stock..and as someone said above..sometimes it's good to take stock..

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Post by stockbender » Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:19 pm

the thing is with me and many others is that we look to the outside for acceptance, success, reward, and its not easy not to especially when society stuffs things in us the other way around.....but this is not the way it should be...the focus should be on ourselfs first, our own individual success, accomplishment, if this is in line and true then we have conquered our own limitations , and by doing so chances are we win everything else. To win the "world" as some say , you have to win yourself, victory within whatever that may be, and im sure we all know our weaknesses+strengths, the rest is just icing on the cake...

just like mixing for instance..... "i need to buy that new compressor, or man if i had all that gear that that studio has i would make the killer mixes" , you know what ??? its partly true but where the real secret lies , is with in , mixing is the fine balance of thinking vs emotions vs desire vs temptations vs pleasure vs rewards vs innovative thinking vs etc...its not in the gear(again an outside influence), and this is what in part attracts people to your music....the "victory" and possibly the cleverness of it :)

sometimes when you fall flat on your face and cant get up , you have to simplify things to its raw elements , be black and white about it, military style, get angry , and think "victory" or "defeat", wake up the old primal instincts that survived millions of years like by watching a tyson fight(well atleast the ones hes won:), suit up in that shinning armor and rise like the sun . ....yeah baby...
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Post by stockbender » Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:38 pm

i think Dubya is going for that effect, Stock..and as someone said above..sometimes it's good to take stock..[/quote]

sorry i lost you there? whose Dubya??

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Post by stockbender » Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:05 pm

Elton John once sad "Sad songs make sad people happy" , hes very much onto something :)

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Post by boomklik » Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:14 am

A few people have already mentioned this..but i feel the need to repeat it.
Production music is a very viable and lucrative method in which one may recieve money for making music(techno). The market is wide open since most independent producers do not have contacts that are high up in important companies. I have little to offer in advice regarding how to make these contacts...a bit of positive commenting can go a long way.

There is another side to the audio world which is not glamorous but pays the bills. If you can edit really fast and own a copy of Pro Tools, there are many jobs waiting to be outsourced to you.

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Post by kobal » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:38 am

jahnlay wrote:You can make money on music, and you guys are being exceptionally negative!
I don't think that anyone is being negative. We are are answering the question based on our experiences.

Me personally, I produce drum n bass, and I have had my tunes played out in clube, but I'm not signed yet.

Can you make money with music, of course. Look at the various artist out there today. IT is possible. Now, the question comes ... DO YOU WANT TO? If you don't want to be a bedroom producer for the rest of your life, then you MUST to things diffrientely. You must approach the music creation process diffriently, you must market yourself, etc.. etc.. I don't know what's all involved, but if making music is what you want, then search for what you must do to get there.

I can tell you this, I've gotten to where I am is by making friends. Saidly, it's not what you know but who you know. Though that's not always true, this statment does play a huge part in the music business.

It is possible, but hardwork, skill, knowledge aren't enough. If you want to make it, persistance and balance are two major keys to success.


Good luck

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Post by ethios4 » Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:25 am

Ahh...those killer life choices!
I find out tomorrow if i got this job selling high-end home-theatre and home-automation. $60K - $150K/year in exchange for 60-70 hrs/week. I have a fantastically great job right now working in this great restaurant, but I'm so broke from debt now that i haven't bought any new equipment in a year and can barely pay my bills, but i have plenty of time to work on music, which i only do half the time, and i feel a major flow right now in the creative process, which is nice. I'm terrified that if i take the job, i'll make plenty of money, the season will pass, and the dream of reaching the level with music that i want will slowly fade out until one day i wake up and realize it never happened and never will.
On the other hand, it would be nice to pay off my debt, buy a soundsystem to throw parties with, buy a house, save up some cash, then quit, live off the cash and investments with minimal expense while devoting lots of time to music. Being abstinent, i don't have to worry about supporting a family and could save lots of cash. Sacrificing a major part of 2-3 years could generate the capital and focus sufficient to produce and market a major creative effort. Plus, the people-skills learned from a sales job could come in handy in the music world.
Trying to decide what to do has been a gut-wrenching, soul-searching process. I recently broke up with an awesome girl i've been with for 2 years in part because i want to devote everything to music, but now i'm considering selling the majority of my waking hours to the highest bidder?
I read a story about Winston Churchhill, i think, where he says to a woman :
"Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?"
"Well....yeah, sure."
"Ok, how about for five dollars?"
"No way! What do you think I am?!?"
"Well, we've already established what you are. Now we're just haggling over the price...."

...So i don't know what to do. Is it fear and laziness that makes me not want to leave my comfort zone? Is it greed and impatience that makes me want to "sacrifice" my time for money?
...and they haven't even offered me the job yet!!
...I pray for an answer.

ps. by the way...Collateral is an excellent movie! What a relevant head-fuck!

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Post by forge » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:29 pm

ethios4 wrote:
...So i don't know what to do. Is it fear and laziness that makes me not want to leave my comfort zone? Is it greed and impatience that makes me want to "sacrifice" my time for money?
...and they haven't even offered me the job yet!!
...I pray for an answer.
!
well, what you said there is a pretty good example of why I first posted - I've been there before - had the good job with the good money but no time and I just couldnt do it, it drove me crazy. If you're anything like me then the music is so much in your bones you'll do it whatever and if the job gets in the way you'll just jack it in.

Oddly enough though a good friend of mine who is probably the most prolific and talented guy I know has just started a job installing home cinema and audio - he still manages to get time on his music - though he has no girlfriend or kids at the moment so he can just use his evenings and weekends when he's not DJing.

The hard thing comes in when you have a family really - they place huge demands on your time and even though I think we're doing well considering, it's a bleak thought thinking there's a possibility my lifestyle could mean always being poor - I suppose at the heart of it I still believe it will get better otherwise I probably would do something about it

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Post by Moody » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:49 pm

Nobody likes what I make so making money will probably be difficult. I have been dabbling with making electronic music for about 10 years and have not seen a penny come to me from it and I really don't care. I like making weird noises and that is all. Whatever else comes from that is just superficial. Have Fun!

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Post by JAMM » Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:36 pm

Throw in some kickassbeats over your weird noises.
There arepeople who make some serious money with this!

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Post by smutek » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:53 pm

am wrote:Don't forget why you are making music... for the love of it, for the Art of it... and ask yourself this: could you live without doing it?


-am
amen to that.

What a great thread this has been! I am so glad that I have no aspirations to ever make money off my stuff. Just like stockbender said earlier, I have a lot of friends that got into this when I did, which was not that long ago, and got right back out when they realized what was involved. I've been pretty much on my own since then and in the last three years have had friends over to jam with maybe 5 times.

Most of the times when I gig I do dj sets because I am an ok dj and I am not at the level where I feel ready to play my own material live. I yearn to get to this point but I don't worry about it because eventually it will happen. When I gig, if I do get paid, it is usually not much but it doesn't matter because every now and then someone will come up and say, "hey great set" or "I dig that stuff you play, what the hell is it?"

This is what its all about for me.

Sometimes my wife will be up here in the "studio" checking her email on the other computer and she'll be like "did you make that - that sounds nice", one time I think she even meant it! Often times she will be like "uh, can you turn that down a little sweetie"

I suck.

I really don't care that I suck though because I do this for myself. I really and trully love making sound and sometimes music and I know I will do it untill the day I die. Thats plenty for me.

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Post by special ed » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:37 am



The hard thing comes in when you have a family really - they place huge demands on your time and even though I think we're doing well considering, it's a bleak thought thinking there's a possibility my lifestyle could mean always being poor - I suppose at the heart of it I still believe it will get better otherwise I probably would do something about it
being poor isnt exactly fun, but poverty doesnt neccessarily mean unhappy either. you got to find the right balance. its better to be poor and happy than rich and miserable. it sounds like your problem isnt so much a lack of money from music, but perhaps you want to be able to give more to your family? the thing is this, you can give to them as a person, by your role that you play in your family. having wealth and being wealthy doesnt have anything to do with money, which is just a fucking piece of paper that burns. look more at what you got rather than what you want, you just might find some contentment. when it all comes down to it, everyone here including myself making rants about the music bussiness, while although valid, we are more upset about the discontentment in our own lives. it really has nothing to do with music or money.

thats just a thought for today.

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