i7 quad core ? & duelling monitors ?

[DrXparaMental]

Is there any problem (pro/con) with running an i7 save the fact that if you shoved a whole chicken in along with one for more than two hours, it might be too burnt to eat?

Any live users using one of these things? I remember someone stating that Live didn't like hyper threading and I didn't know if this i7 used something similar or not.

Or is it better to stick with a basic Q series?

Also: Could someone please tell me about duel monitors? I know that your computer hardware would have to support duel or quad monitor configuration, but what about the software angle? Live can't be used like pro tools can it? Where you have half the Live set on one monitor and half on the other.

Outside that popular split DAW scenario using two monitors, if your basic hardware supports two or more DVI/HDMI outputs, can you choose what is visible on whichever monitor? In other words:

Could I have Live on one, and an editor like Audition 3.0 on another?

Taken more so a step further in the direction that I would truly like most to go in: Could I have plug ins in live like Reaktor 5 and Stylus RMX on one and Live on the other?

Thanks as always!

[DrXparaMental]

Is there any problem (pro/con) with running an i7 save the fact that if you shoved a whole chicken in along with one for more than two hours, it might be too burnt to eat?

Any live users using one of these things? I remember someone stating that Live didn't like hyper threading and I didn't know if this i7 used something similar or not.

Or is it better to stick with a basic Q series?

Also: Could someone please tell me about duel monitors? I know that your computer hardware would have to support duel or quad monitor configuration, but what about the software angle? Live can't be used like pro tools can it? Where you have half the Live set on one monitor and half on the other.

Outside that popular split DAW scenario using two monitors, if your basic hardware supports two or more DVI/HDMI outputs, can you choose what is visible on whichever monitor? In other words:

Could I have Live on one, and an editor like Audition 3.0 on another?

Taken more so a step further in the direction that I would truly like most to go in: Could I have plug ins in live like Reaktor 5 and Stylus RMX on one and Live on the other?

Thanks as always!

Just so you all know, Live and i7 CPUs are pretty much a waste of time at this point. I am not sure if 8 will have the rewritten capacity or not, but for right now Q series is the only way to go.

[dcease]

Also: Could someone please tell me about duel monitors? I know that your computer hardware would have to support duel or quad monitor configuration, but what about the software angle? Live can't be used like pro tools can it? Where you have half the Live set on one monitor and half on the other.

Outside that popular split DAW scenario using two monitors, if your basic hardware supports two or more DVI/HDMI outputs, can you choose what is visible on whichever monitor? In other words:

Could I have Live on one, and an editor like Audition 3.0 on another?

Taken more so a step further in the direction that I would truly like most to go in: Could I have plug ins in live like Reaktor 5 and Stylus RMX on one and Live on the other?

Thanks as always!

you are correct that live cannot be split, someone will try something when max4live is released, i imagine, we'll have to wait and see what is possible... but using two monitors, currently, you can have whatever you want on the *second* screen- i use live on one, and the fireface mixer, plugs, the forum, editor, mainstage, finder windows for access to hard drives- whatever i need at the moment. makes life a bit easier

those i7's look to be smashing, time will tell if live likes them.

[ekwipt]

If you're using a lot of samples i7 will be beneficial

[Da hand]

Is there any problem (pro/con) with running an i7 save the fact that if you shoved a whole chicken in along with one for more than two hours, it might be too burnt to eat?

Any live users using one of these things? I remember someone stating that Live didn't like hyper threading and I didn't know if this i7 used something similar or not.

Or is it better to stick with a basic Q series?

Also: Could someone please tell me about duel monitors? I know that your computer hardware would have to support duel or quad monitor configuration, but what about the software angle? Live can't be used like pro tools can it? Where you have half the Live set on one monitor and half on the other.

Outside that popular split DAW scenario using two monitors, if your basic hardware supports two or more DVI/HDMI outputs, can you choose what is visible on whichever monitor? In other words:

Could I have Live on one, and an editor like Audition 3.0 on another?

Taken more so a step further in the direction that I would truly like most to go in: Could I have plug ins in live like Reaktor 5 and Stylus RMX on one and Live on the other?

Thanks as always!

For Dual Monitors,

You can choose to have whatever you like on either screen. It is extremely useful for any video/film work as you can have the video on one screen and your tracks on the other. You can also use it to place your plugins on the other screen, or if you rewire Reason or any other application, then you can have each application on its own screen.

You can also choose different monitor setups: side by side, one in front of the other, etc and also choose how your mouse travels from one monitor to the other - side / side, up / down etc.

[adventurepants_]

Is there any problem (pro/con) with running an i7 save the fact that if you shoved a whole chicken in along with one for more than two hours, it might be too burnt to eat?

Any live users using one of these things? I remember someone stating that Live didn't like hyper threading and I didn't know if this i7 used something similar or not.

Or is it better to stick with a basic Q series?

Also: Could someone please tell me about duel monitors? I know that your computer hardware would have to support duel or quad monitor configuration, but what about the software angle? Live can't be used like pro tools can it? Where you have half the Live set on one monitor and half on the other.

Outside that popular split DAW scenario using two monitors, if your basic hardware supports two or more DVI/HDMI outputs, can you choose what is visible on whichever monitor? In other words:

Could I have Live on one, and an editor like Audition 3.0 on another?

Taken more so a step further in the direction that I would truly like most to go in: Could I have plug ins in live like Reaktor 5 and Stylus RMX on one and Live on the other?

Thanks as always!

Just so you all know, Live and i7 CPUs are pretty much a waste of time at this point.

explain, please?

[nicogrubert]

I use Live on an i7 920 machine with 3 GB of RAM and Windows XP Home.
No problems at all. I can load tons of plugins and the CPU meter never reaches the 100 percent. Okay, loading about 100 NI Massive instances could hit the 100%...

I have a 2 monitor setup (2 x 20" Samsung TFT) where Live's Session view is on the left monitor and the plugins and my favourite wave editor is on the right monitor.

[DrXparaMental]

Is there any problem (pro/con) with running an i7 save the fact that if you shoved a whole chicken in along with one for more than two hours, it might be too burnt to eat?

Any live users using one of these things? I remember someone stating that Live didn't like hyper threading and I didn't know if this i7 used something similar or not.

Or is it better to stick with a basic Q series?

Also: Could someone please tell me about duel monitors? I know that your computer hardware would have to support duel or quad monitor configuration, but what about the software angle? Live can't be used like pro tools can it? Where you have half the Live set on one monitor and half on the other.

Outside that popular split DAW scenario using two monitors, if your basic hardware supports two or more DVI/HDMI outputs, can you choose what is visible on whichever monitor? In other words:

Could I have Live on one, and an editor like Audition 3.0 on another?

Taken more so a step further in the direction that I would truly like most to go in: Could I have plug ins in live like Reaktor 5 and Stylus RMX on one and Live on the other?

Thanks as always!

Just so you all know, Live and i7 CPUs are pretty much a waste of time at this point.

explain, please?

Happily. I spent the day researching the matter and my most fruitful call was to the tech department at Sonica Labs/ADK. When utilizing a 32bit (XP Home/Pro), Live can access and utilize a maximum of 2 gigs of ram. No more. I didn't know that but he assured me that they had equipment tested all major DAW software, and as far as 32 bit support, that's the case across the board.

So you say, why not go 64 bit? According to them, Live does not like (and has specific repeatable problems) when used in 64bit. Live also cannot support 8 cores (even four virtual). The reason I said that i7 is a waste of time at this point s because it doesn't support the processor's real capabilities. You can get just as much any day of the week (currently) using a Q series processor. No matter what, when using a windows based OS, Live can only see 2 gigs of ram. Sucks eh?

The ONLY time that i7 will benefit the audioist is when you are using samples that are preloaded into and derived from ram. Think Stylus RMX in groove/edit mode. Naturally since Live can only see 2 gigs of ram, what difference can it make?

According to this gentleman, Ableton is quite a bit behind the multi core access curve as opposed to other multi track DAWs like Cubase and Sonar.

If you PM me, I will give you the man's exact name. This guy knew his shit.

Could you please see my newest post which I am about to make? I need some basic help with respect to two final choices I have to make concerning my new DAW system build. Thanks!

[carlv]

Live does not like (and has specific repeatable problems) when used in 64bit. Live also cannot support 8 cores (even four virtual)

what are the problems?
and this is the first I've heard that Live can't support 8 cores. are you sure this is correct?

[DrXparaMental]

Live does not like (and has specific repeatable problems) when used in 64bit. Live also cannot support 8 cores (even four virtual)

what are the problems?
and this is the first I've heard that Live can't support 8 cores. are you sure this is correct?

I don't think they're are any "problems" so to speak, it's just that Live doesn't have the written software support to truly advantage one's self with the real capabilities of the i7. This isn't a "hiccup related" thing, it's just an inefficiency thing with respect to the i7's hyperthreading or internal information distribution and process.

In short, it's a waste of time to invest in an i7 at this point with respect to running Live. Live 8 may contain written support for the true utilization of of the i7 series CPU.

Call em'

[adventurepants_]

Just so you all know, Live and i7 CPUs are pretty much a waste of time at this point.

explain, please?

Happily. I spent the day researching the matter and my most fruitful call was to the tech department at Sonica Labs/ADK. When utilizing a 32bit (XP Home/Pro), Live can access and utilize a maximum of 2 gigs of ram. No more. I didn't know that but he assured me that they had equipment tested all major DAW software, and as far as 32 bit support, that's the case across the board.

So you say, why not go 64 bit? According to them, Live does not like (and has specific repeatable problems) when used in 64bit. Live also cannot support 8 cores (even four virtual). The reason I said that i7 is a waste of time at this point s because it doesn't support the processor's real capabilities. You can get just as much any day of the week (currently) using a Q series processor. No matter what, when using a windows based OS, Live can only see 2 gigs of ram. Sucks eh?

The ONLY time that i7 will benefit the audioist is when you are using samples that are preloaded into and derived from ram. Think Stylus RMX in groove/edit mode. Naturally since Live can only see 2 gigs of ram, what difference can it make?

According to this gentleman, Ableton is quite a bit behind the multi core access curve as opposed to other multi track DAWs like Cubase and Sonar.

If you PM me, I will give you the man's exact name. This guy knew his shit.

Could you please see my newest post which I am about to make? I need some basic help with respect to two final choices I have to make concerning my new DAW system build. Thanks!

Live performs better on a quad than a dual. I know this, as Im running both of them and the performance difference is obvious. When I look at the performance monitor, Live is definitely using the 4 cores.

Even if youre not maxing out the specs of the Nehalem, it doesnt mean its a waste of money. New hardware usually takes years to reach its potential. I would bet a real world test will show that an i7 will run the Live performance test better than a Q quad. It has about a %30 performance benefit compared to the Q series clock speed, Ableton shouldnt be any different.

There are quite a few people on here running Live in a 64 bit OS, and very happily as far as their driver support allows. Which repeatable problems are there with Live on x64? Im toying with the idea of moving up myself at some point.

Only 2 gig ram able to be accessed per app? How did Liam Howlett ever make those amazing sounds using workstations whose sample sets topped out at 760k?

In my case, I certainly cant point at the computer as the bottleneck for my creative output! Its the thing between my ears that doesnt have enough bandwidth.

[Jan Holm]

I'm about to do a new machine myself. I do that every 2-3 years.
I'm going I7 because I'm pretty sure I'll be moving to windows 7
within a year and I'm pretty confident that most software will catch
up to this new scheme pretty quickly. I'm not really scared of being
a first mover on win 7 - because it really is like vista SP3, and the
beta runs very nice on my netbook.

[Silence]

i just have to add...
windows xp...32bit version that is, is the problem when addressing more than 2 gig...
it has nothing to do with live or i7... its a OS issue and not a hardware issue or application issue...


and u cant use more than...i think its 3.5 gigs with any other processor using xp32bit.. and no application can address more than 2gb, be it Adobe Photoshop or Ableton Live...

so...
erhm...
just had to say

[DrXparaMental]

Live performs better on a quad than a dual. I know this, as Im running both of them and the performance difference is obvious. When I look at the performance monitor, Live is definitely using the 4 cores.

Even if youre not maxing out the specs of the Nehalem, it doesnt mean its a waste of money. New hardware usually takes years to reach its potential. I would bet a real world test will show that an i7 will run the Live performance test better than a Q quad. It has about a %30 performance benefit compared to the Q series clock speed, Ableton shouldnt be any different.

There are quite a few people on here running Live in a 64 bit OS, and very happily as far as their driver support allows. Which repeatable problems are there with Live on x64? Im toying with the idea of moving up myself at some point.

Only 2 gig ram able to be accessed per app? How did Liam Howlett ever make those amazing sounds using workstations whose sample sets topped out at 760k?

In my case, I certainly cant point at the computer as the bottleneck for my creative output! Its the thing between my ears that doesnt have enough bandwidth.

I would LOVE to see real test results myself. It's abundantly clear that Live 7 supports 32bit multi track recording, but does not support 64bit multi track recording. Everything else is a mystery to me and I mean that emphatically. All I know is that I was told matter of fact that Live had distinct problems in 64bit. I have never ran a 64bit system and was seriously looking at purchasing an i7 professional rack mount computer.

The tech person that I was talking to at this same company steered me away from the i7 by stating that Ableton has REAL issues in 64bit. He also made it clear that Live could not make use of the i7's unique internal systematic process with respect to a real performance increase over the Q series processors. He also stated that Ableton's software was unable to provide access to any more than a little over two gigs of ram while operated in a Windows OS. Whereas most other contemporary DAWs had made modifications to their written driver support that allowed for a much broader ram access diversity, Ableton has not at this time.

pants (and everybody else), listen to me, I don't KNOW shit and I'll be the first to make that abundantly clear. I am just relating what this tech made clear to me at ADK. Ableton is, and will most likely always be, my DAW of choice. It's the greatest audio design tool I have ever used short of my life long love affair with 4 strings and some electricity. That's why I decided to build a system that will best support it in 32bit, and can clearly and evidently move on to 64bit when Ableton either (a) officially is 64bit supported, or (b) I am confident that it will run 64bit from my interface to my monitors without any problems.

I will state that I am a little leery to buy the idea that an i7 can provide any real benefit to a 32bit user. I don't think it ever will be. I mean, why would it? Nobodies going to make the effort just to back pedal their software support to 32bit users because the squeaky loop gets the goop. I have to believe as you pointed out, that the the idea is to move FORWARD into the realm of the 64bit supported application.

What would be just as fascinating concerning this 64bit question, would be:

What is REALLY happening in Ableton Live when a user *is* running Live in V64? I mean, how many of the forefront functions and manipulations of Live are being accomplished (fully facilitated) by real 64bit support? Are sample access speeds faster and more cpu efficient? What about plugin support? How does that much work?

Does Reaktor when used as a plugin in Live actually benefit via the 64 bit platform?

As far as the i7 is concerned: What about efficiencies with respect to exponential voice computations?

Ever worked with Stylus RMX?

Wow! I just thought of something. Doh! I should be asking Eric about this stuff. He would know.

MR. Owl, how many licks does it take to get to the center of an i7?

I'm just afraid his answer will have something to do with Logic and a Mac

[longjohns]

I'm sure you can SPLIT live over two monitors. that's an OS issue, not an app issue. by split, I mean have the live GUI extend over both monitors.

i have not done it, but have seen pics.

what you cannot do is have e.g. session on one screen, arrange on the other. although as noted you can pull plugin windows (or apparently video??) onto the second screen