Facebook keeping your shit forever

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:44 am

This may not be news to some of you

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494064,00.html

Glad I never signed up and nor have I even visited the site.

Jekblad · Post by **Jekblad** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:04 am

i love FB.

let's hope they don't screw me.

aqua_tek · Post by **aqua_tek** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:23 am

all i've even gotten out of FB is compromising pictures and jealous bitch fits

ewistrand · Post by **ewistrand** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:26 am

I don't see how they could make it legally retroactive with anybody who joined before the new TOS. That one's not going to fly if it goes to court...

ew

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:54 am

ewistrand wrote:I don't see how they could make it legally retroactive with anybody who joined before the new TOS. That one's not going to fly if it goes to court...

ew

There was mention of something like this happening even before they publicly admitted to it, but if you are ever in some serious trouble legally or whatever I'm sure there are ways to dig up whatever you've done on the Internet from the first moment you ever got connected.

Just like the dot com bubble bursting and the mortgage collapse I wonder if at some point in the future there's going to be some kind of societal or economic catastrophe involving too many people sharing too much private information on public sites mistakenly thinking it won't catch up to them. These sites are already being used in divorce and employment cases.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:14 am

In a world where everything is a copy and paste or right click away from being saved by anyone anyway, I don't see the big deal. If you don't want something available for public domain, don't post it on a social networking site in the first place, regardless of the TOS.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:26 am

Tarekith wrote:In a world where everything is a copy and paste or right click away from being saved by anyone anyway, I don't see the big deal. If you don't want something available for public domain, don't post it on a social networking site in the first place, regardless of the TOS.

Agreed but we're from an older generation before all this existed and have a healthy sense of paranoia and privacy. I don't think a lot of people in their mid 20's or earlier have that. They think they set their profile to private and their ass is covered, meanwhile there's constant news stories of crimes being either discovered or solved thanks to dumb shits on myspace, facebook, youtube, and even ebay.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:09 am

Must be a generational thing or something. I consider everything I post online to be somehow available to be people outside of my control.

Michael Hatsis · Post by **Michael Hatsis** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:03 am

beats me wrote:
Tarekith wrote:In a world where everything is a copy and paste or right click away from being saved by anyone anyway, I don't see the big deal. If you don't want something available for public domain, don't post it on a social networking site in the first place, regardless of the TOS.

Agreed but we're from an older generation before all this existed and have a healthy sense of paranoia and privacy. I don't think a lot of people in their mid 20's or earlier have that. They think they set their profile to private and their ass is covered, meanwhile there's constant news stories of crimes being either discovered or solved thanks to dumb shits on myspace, facebook, youtube, and even ebay.

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littlepig · Post by **littlepig** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:26 am

Good job I used a false identity when I signed up

oblique strategies · Post by **oblique strategies** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:48 pm

“Blown to Bits: Your Life, Liberty, and Happiness After the Digital Explosion.”
Harry Lewis, former Dean of Harvard College

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/12/h ... _bits_your

Transcript, audio, & video of an interesting interview. Facebook is part of the discussion.

"Almost everything we now do on a regular basis, from sending emails, taking photographs, writing text messages, calling on our cell phones, downloading music, typing on our computers, and using our credit and ATM cards, all of it generates information. And every single day the endless information generated by our ever-expanding digital footprints is recorded, tracked, searched through, sold, analyzed, and saved forever."

AMY GOODMAN: OK, I’m closing my cell phone right now.
HARRY LEWIS: Yes.
AMY GOODMAN: I’m turning it off.
HARRY LEWIS: Yes.
AMY GOODMAN: Am I turning it off?
HARRY LEWIS: Well, if you’re not doing anything on which the federal authorities might have an interest in you doing, you’re probably OK if it’s off. But one of the interesting things that I discovered in the course of writing this book was that the—since the cell phones are—have buggy software in them all the time, of course, there are ways to upgrade the software, that you want them to be able to do that. Well, under the appropriate court orders, the federal authorities, the FBI or whatever, can have new software installed in your cell phone unbeknownst to you, so that the off button, the thing that makes the screen go black and say bye-bye, does all that but actually leaves the microphone on, and relaying everything that it’s hearing, from the ambient noise, your conversations and so on to the authorities. That’s been done. And evidence of that kind has been introduced in court cases. And, you know, assuming it’s been captured with proper court orders, it can be done.
AMY GOODMAN: So they’re listening to you. I mean, you’ve got your—
HARRY LEWIS: They’re listening. It’s a roving bug.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:30 pm

beats me wrote:This may not be news to some of you

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494064,00.html

Glad I never signed up and nor have I even visited the site.

Check the link to consumerist.com blog. Pay special attention to the updates at the bottom.

Facebook are evil, yeah, but not /that/ evil...

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:04 pm

they can have my shit as long as they want. I'm finished with it.

oblique strategies · Post by **oblique strategies** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:26 pm

From the AT&T Privacy Policy for AT&T Yahoo! and Video Services

From the section titled: Information we Collect:

"Usage Information.
Means information about how you use the AT&T Internet Services sites (e.g., IP address, the Web page from which you entered our site, pages you view, how much time you spend on each page, the links you click and other actions taken) when using your AT&T Services. Usage Information means information about viewing, game, recording, and other navigation choices that you and those in your household make when using Homezone or AT&T U-verse TV Services."

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:36 pm

Not sure what the fuss is about, I'd imagine its just Facebook covering themselves from a legal point of view. They haven't actually done anything bad have they?

Wasn't there something similar recently with the MySpace t&c's?

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