+1 for the what the cuddly little brown guy said.nebulae wrote:Sorry didn't mean to trash any books. Just saying that once you read an understand the theory, you gotto practice a lot.
Separating non-bass instruments in a busy mix
Wet/Dry = 100%Kent_in_CO wrote:Thanks for the tips. Moody, what's a good starting point for using the simple delay this way? I assume a short time setting - something like 10-30 ms? What about wet/dry and feedback?
I know that there's no one-size-fits all setting...just trying to get in the right ballpark.
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Slowly start bringing the time up until you find a sweet spot. This can also be used to give the illusion of panning. There are presets for that under Simple Delay. Have fun with it!
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a) have things playing in different registers/octaves - if everythng is playing in the range of C3-C4 that will immediately frequency clash and cutting might not be enough.
b) cutting, cutting, cutting as mentioned before. But do your analysis and don't cut EVERYTHING in the same place, otherwise you'll get a weak frequency hole. Although one place where it's wise to cut frequencies for anything non bass is the bass end sub 200 Hz. Synth pads, rhythm guitars, whatever in this range do not need these frequencies. In these areas, you can BOOST your bass and/or kick (if necessary) but do it JUDICIOUSLY.
c) Reduce things like stereo spread and pan things to different places. Also reverbs and modulation FX, if everything is just piled up 100% stereo, you get a train wreck leaving no room for anything to breathe. You would not believe how many engineers actually return reverbs and other delays in MONO to prevent this.
d) only have 1 lead part at a time. If you're doubling a part for harmony, that's OK (in moderation), and Sound FX, pads, whatever can be happening simultaneously, but think about it - in most music, you don't have a guitar solo going on for 3 minutes while a lead vocal is singing at the same time, that just confuses the brain and causes listening fatigue.
b) cutting, cutting, cutting as mentioned before. But do your analysis and don't cut EVERYTHING in the same place, otherwise you'll get a weak frequency hole. Although one place where it's wise to cut frequencies for anything non bass is the bass end sub 200 Hz. Synth pads, rhythm guitars, whatever in this range do not need these frequencies. In these areas, you can BOOST your bass and/or kick (if necessary) but do it JUDICIOUSLY.
c) Reduce things like stereo spread and pan things to different places. Also reverbs and modulation FX, if everything is just piled up 100% stereo, you get a train wreck leaving no room for anything to breathe. You would not believe how many engineers actually return reverbs and other delays in MONO to prevent this.
d) only have 1 lead part at a time. If you're doubling a part for harmony, that's OK (in moderation), and Sound FX, pads, whatever can be happening simultaneously, but think about it - in most music, you don't have a guitar solo going on for 3 minutes while a lead vocal is singing at the same time, that just confuses the brain and causes listening fatigue.
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