Seperating kick on its own channel

[contakt321]

oh oh! get this...

First, I set up Kicks on each octave C-2 to C10 in a Drum Rack.
Then, I added serveral midi Pitch effects at +12, +12, +24, +36, -36 in that rack, whatever combinations to cover all ten octaves.
Then, I map'd the on/off button of those pitch effects to controller buttons.
Then, I repeated the process for snares and hi hats on other tracks. D-2 to D10 for snares.
Then, on the separate snare and hh racks, I used a Scale effect to switch between snare to side stick (D#-2 through D#10) or clap; and closed or open hit hats respectively, keeping all drums aligned to basic General Midi for consistency.
Finally, I pat myself on the back for being such a genius.

Someone needs to add this to tips and tricks... least I may do a Youtube video of it. Same idea as previously posted by Funky and Contakt but strictly kept to GM standards should I wish to import a third party midi track. Now that I think of it, Contakt's idea could be better for most users.

What happens is I punch the octave in and out in various combinations, hence switching out the active kick in real time while feeding the rack from a midi loop on another track entirely. The midi track feeds three separate rack tracks, kick, snare, and HH. This gives me more possibilities then the simple switch sample option. As we may agree, not every kick or snare works, and this way I can get one that does on the fly.

Whoa! This is way more advanced than the way I work. I am a simpleton but this would probably conserve CPU. Very cool idea, I am too simple to try it though

[Trypset]

I have kick, snare percs, you name it. On separate channels.

I do this too, I find it suits my workflow better.

I also make drumracks that are "all kicks", "all snares", "all cymbals", and "all percussion" so I can quickly load all 4, then I make a pattern and just shift midi notes up and down until I found a particular snare, kick, etc that I like.

That's pretty rad. I'll have to keep that in mind. I'm really disorganized and never have racks or templates set up. I always start from square one every time and it really slows me down.

I really wish though, that there was a way to bus drum rack pads together within the track. I layer drum samples a lot and often want to process my three snares in the same manner.

I am doing this.....setup a drum rack with impulse on the cells you wish to use.....when you trigger a cell only the first impulse slot will hit, you can put a midi chord plug before the impulse and adjust to suit.....you can make up to 8 impulse slots hit at the exact same time (layering hits) this way.

[leisuremuffin]

you guys do know that you can layer all you want on one pad of a drum rack, right? just put an instrument rack on the pad---> As many chains as you want. one pad can trigger a layer or multisample based on velocity... or you can have up to 128 chains of just kicks on your kick pad and use the chain selector to pick one, right?



also, you do know that drum racks can have their own return tracks inside them as well, right? up to 6.

also, have you looked at the i/o section of drum racks?



it's just a question of how you want to work, if you want to have your sounds on different tracks, that's fine, but it is a work flow decision, not a functionality one.


.lm.

[Incy]

if i understand that right... you can have up to 128 kick drums assigned to pad C1? And you can use the rack ruler toggle your way through them all? Interesting. I'll see how that works. I wonder how the CPU likes all those racks.

[leisuremuffin]

yeah, if you throw an instrument rack on a drum pad you can have up to 128 chains on it. of course any of those chains can have an instrument rack in them with 128 more chains.


it's pretty sick what you can do with the rack concept in live...



.lm.

[Marx]

Usually have a seperate muted kick for sidechain aswell.

^^^^ For sure. But yea you always have to have every drum sound on a different track. It makes it so much easier later on when you want to drop all of the percussion or just the kick, etc...

[evon]

Am I missing something?

no, evon isnt reading.

For me the only difference between a drum rack track and a normal track is working with sends and routing.

I often end up with a hierarchical arrangement starting at the bottom with individual tracks for each part within a 'kit' (Kick, snare, hats etc) then either route them all into one track for that set of drums or group them by type with other kits (i.e. all kicks, all snares, all percs) then that will go into one top level track for drums.

That way when im mixing i can take an overall approach, e.g. more bass, more drums etc by adjusting one track and then dig deeper into the groups if i need to adjust the parts of the submix.

To be honest I have only looked at Drum Racks once and have promised myself to complete a project with a drum track done with DRacks. I use Reason4/FLStudio and build my drum patterns putting voice each on a seperate track. Also, I dont use Midi. If I do, it would only be just to facilitate an Audio track , Like getting Reason into Live.

[evon]

Based on the posts I have read so far, I definately have to spend some time in drum racks especially since I have not been satisfied with my Drums and Bass for years now.

[sgx]

I am doing this.....setup a drum rack with impulse on the cells you wish to use.....when you trigger a cell only the first impulse slot will hit, you can put a midi chord plug before the impulse and adjust to suit.....you can make up to 8 impulse slots hit at the exact same time (layering hits) this way.

Oh snap! That's genius!

[Marx]

Based on the posts I have read so far, I definately have to spend some time in drum racks especially since I have not been satisfied with my Drums and Bass for years now.

I struggled for a while using Live's impulse presets and more recently drum racks. I could never get the super heavy thump for the kick and never a snare the popped real intensely. I was Compressin, EQin, sidechaining, but still nothing. I decided to say 'fuck it' and just started cutting drums out of songs that I like and putting them into my own empty Drum racks. Now I have a fairly big library that i LOVE.

I realized that Live's One hit samples are just not that Cool at all. If you have Reason, USE REDRUM!! It's 1000 better than the Impulse and Drum Rack stock One hits. This is how I have my combinator set up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY6Zdb8CKWA But I also run the Combinator through Scream 4 then through the M-Class compressor. I've also heard Battery is sick, although I only have a few Kick drums I use from it...

[Incy]

gawd i h8 impulse.

in other news... sorry .lm. i dont think your suggestion of one rack with multiple chains works in the same way an effects rack does. drum racks don't have the ruler as far as i can see. but, i've been wrong once, so...

[Trypset]

I am doing this.....setup a drum rack with impulse on the cells you wish to use.....when you trigger a cell only the first impulse slot will hit, you can put a midi chord plug before the impulse and adjust to suit.....you can make up to 8 impulse slots hit at the exact same time (layering hits) this way.

Oh snap! That's genius!

thanks, wish I could take credit. I read it somewheres.....I wish I could give credit as well.

gawd i h8 impulse.

in other news... sorry .lm. i dont think your suggestion of one rack with multiple chains works in the same way an effects rack does. drum racks don't have the ruler as far as i can see. but, i've been wrong once, so...

why the hate for impulse?

[leisuremuffin]

gawd i h8 impulse.

in other news... sorry .lm. i dont think your suggestion of one rack with multiple chains works in the same way an effects rack does. drum racks don't have the ruler as far as i can see. but, i've been wrong once, so...

sigh.

drop an instrument rack on the drum rack pad.
also learn to read.



.lm.

[Marx]

gawd i h8 impulse.

in other news... sorry .lm. i dont think your suggestion of one rack with multiple chains works in the same way an effects rack does. drum racks don't have the ruler as far as i can see. but, i've been wrong once, so...

sigh.

drop an instrument rack on the drum rack pad.
also learn to read.



.lm.

lol for the *sigh*

[Incy]

sigh

could you reply even more like a condescending and insufferable douche nozzle please? the forum needs more flames from those with the emotional skill set of a thirteen year old. keeps things interesting.