Live 8 is a little too much for me

[beatpoet]

I've been beta testing for a month and by now I can safely say, I am in no hurry to upgrade. Not enough has been done to help free us from constant use of the mouse.

have you not seen this floating about the forums ?

[SubFunk]

and sorry, i am sick like a dog laying in bed with lappy and headphones testing, testing, testing instead of sleeping myself healthy...
maybe that's why i am in such a weirdo mood, sorry again folks.


p.s. no worries i will be at the next user meeting.

and yes still utterly loving live, generally.

[condra]

have you not seen this floating about the forums ?

I plan on getting an APC40 to use with Live 7.

I will reluctantly upgrade to Live 8 if and when the extra cash becomes available. I still find it astonishing how much mousing we have to do as Live users. We still need the mouse to import a fucking drum loop into our set. Sorry but that's crazy shit.
I don't need a spectrum-grapho-combobulator.
I need my software to feel integrated into my keyboard and midi controller.

Sorry I'm in a very bitchy mood today but I'm pissed off with hardware and software not integrating properly, and getting in the way of creativity and spontaniety.

[33tetragammon]

Sorry I'm in a very bitchy mood today but I'm pissed off with hardware and software not integrating properly, and getting in the way of creativity and spontaniety.

i hear you,this is STILL something that should be a FIRST priority(even with live8).some new live 8 features i REALLY love,but since there is only a little step towards MORE HARDWARE INTEGRATION(assigning device headers to keys/midi) done in live 8 at this moment(without having to buy maxforlive to be able to do that yourself,IF indeed you CAN with maxforlive)
it's like this in my eyes:
if you want mousefree musicmaking,there is only hardware instrumentswith all its cables,rigid structures etc.
both software and hardware have their pro's and cons

but then there is MAX FOR LIVE.........MAX FOR LIFE!!!!!!!

p.s:if you have a novation remote/nocturn,automap pro supports keycommands as well in your mappings,the only thing is,it's not free.......
but it might get you closer to total integration,If you like novation remotes that is....i still have mixed feelings about it after using it for almost a year.
nocturn is better in my experience,you might have LESS knobs and buttons,but LESS is not always WORSE,it allows you to FOCUS your creativity.......

[kb420]

have you not seen this floating about the forums ?

I plan on getting an APC40 to use with Live 7.

I will reluctantly upgrade to Live 8 if and when the extra cash becomes available. I still find it astonishing how much mousing we have to do as Live users. We still need the mouse to import a fucking drum loop into our set. Sorry but that's crazy shit.
I don't need a spectrum-grapho-combobulator.
I need my software to feel integrated into my keyboard and midi controller.

Sorry I'm in a very bitchy mood today but I'm pissed off with hardware and software not integrating properly, and getting in the way of creativity and spontaniety.

You have a very, very good point here. No matter how much mouse clicking the APC40 will eliminate, we still need a mouse to load drum loops, midi clips, and sets.

This is one area where Maschine's hardware/software integration is excellent. You can scroll through the library without the mouse, or your computer monitor. True mouse free workflow.

[beatpoet]

You should really have all your loops set up and saved as a set though before you go on stage, no ?
When your onstage it's not really the time to be going through your library looking for loops or whatever. You can trigger your premade stuff and record your midi clips etc. unless you're a DJ should should really have no need to be sifting through your library onstage.

Loading up sets on stage is a big no no too IMO better to put everything in one big set and use racks to change instruments/effects

[condra]

unless you're a DJ ..

I'm a DJ

[miqueas1]

I love reading everyone's post on this stuff!

I mean for me... Session view is the reason I use Live... I started on Live and have no desire to build a track just in arrangement view... also I only use it in the studio I do not use it live at this moment.... (will in the future).

It's funny how alot of peoples negatives and weakness are what I see as strong points..

I mean midi wise... OMG.... with routing and meta recording with drum racks and midi templates and harmonic templates are my core when it comes to building tracks... Logic has nothing in terms of midi tools and melody creation as live does (at least IMO).

If I wanted arrangement view then I would use my Logic Studio for that... but as far as routing with drum racks using metarecording is just WOW:)

The new version I can't wait wait wait!!! The groove features will be fantastic.... also the grouping is great! Finally!!! I can get my session view down from 30 tracks to like 4 in terms of grouping.... WOW!!! I now have more screen real estate!

When I opened up an old project in version 8 within minutes I had the track sounding about 100 times better in terms of quality with grouping and compressing and that nature... I was shocked!

The analyzing of grooves and then ripping that groove from the track will be fantastic...

Things do run a bit slower.. but i did have a song with 30 tracks in it.. and my processor was still intact even after grouping them all.... however I rarely use audio clips in terms of just throwing them in.. but rather alot of slice to midi and reworking them or using them in sampler... but this will all change when they update this and fix out the kinks.. every version in the past has been like this!

It all comes down to work flow and how you use it.. and also your routing... the sky really is the limit.. you just have to focus and wrap your head around your routing and know where your signals are going...

any program that basically lets me create a good groove and almost complete a decent (i say decent not a all out killer) track in less than a few hours.... will have my attention forever

I do wish however that there was set up especially good for dual monitors in terms of... when I want to see three or four vst's I want to be able to lock them on my second screen and keep them open...

Good job Abe's!!! I will be purchasing the new version the day it is officially released!!!


Micah

[Pasha]

I love reading everyone's post on this stuff!

I mean for me... Session view is the reason I use Live... I started on Live and have no desire to build a track just in arrangement view... also I only use it in the studio I do not use it live at this moment.... (will in the future).

It's funny how alot of peoples negatives and weakness are what I see as strong points..

I mean midi wise... OMG.... with routing and meta recording with drum racks and midi templates and harmonic templates are my core when it comes to building tracks... Logic has nothing in terms of midi tools and melody creation as live does (at least IMO).

If I wanted arrangement view then I would use my Logic Studio for that... but as far as routing with drum racks using metarecording is just WOW:)

The new version I can't wait wait wait!!! The groove features will be fantastic.... also the grouping is great! Finally!!! I can get my session view down from 30 tracks to like 4 in terms of grouping.... WOW!!! I now have more screen real estate!

When I opened up an old project in version 8 within minutes I had the track sounding about 100 times better in terms of quality with grouping and compressing and that nature... I was shocked!

The analyzing of grooves and then ripping that groove from the track will be fantastic...

Things do run a bit slower.. but i did have a song with 30 tracks in it.. and my processor was still intact even after grouping them all.... however I rarely use audio clips in terms of just throwing them in.. but rather alot of slice to midi and reworking them or using them in sampler... but this will all change when they update this and fix out the kinks.. every version in the past has been like this!

It all comes down to work flow and how you use it.. and also your routing... the sky really is the limit.. you just have to focus and wrap your head around your routing and know where your signals are going...

any program that basically lets me create a good groove and almost complete a decent (i say decent not a all out killer) track in less than a few hours.... will have my attention forever

I do wish however that there was set up especially good for dual monitors in terms of... when I want to see three or four vst's I want to be able to lock them on my second screen and keep them open...

Good job Abe's!!! I will be purchasing the new version the day it is officially released!!!


Micah

Let's race then....

[miqueas1]

Also guys... In terms of doing things live.. if you don't know about this site.. check it out..

Tom Cosm


cosm.co.nz

He does a great job showing how he breaks tracks and live sets down.... into one large mega set...

He bounces everything down to audio and then works with them that way.. which to me seems much better than using midi in a live situation....

You can access some of his live sets as well as pay a monthly fee of 10 bucks to access his big boy sets.... really great way to open your eyes up on how other people work!

[miqueas1]

Micah[/quote]

Let's race then.... [/quote]

LOL what in terms of buying the new version?? :):)

[sleepwalkermusic]

There's an arrangement view? Could have fooled me. Jesus, grouptracks and "first loop sets tempo" are soooo overdue. Any previous version makes me barf.

hmmm. well, the main draw is the session view right? mabe you should switch, if you juust need a linear timeline for song wirintg, Logic/Cubase etc can run almost twice as many plug ins due to the fact they do not have that session view...it would probably be quite a boost for you I dunno try it I guess

[n0nce]

I've been beta testing Live 8 and I must say that I am surprised by my disappointment. For one my computer just can't keep up with the cpu demands of running multiple operators on say a drum rack anymore. I was really excited about some of the new features like the looper and the track crossfades. However, Ableton has lost its simplicity as a live performance and remix tool. I admit that I never really worked well with session view as a song construction tool. So I guess I'm a little bit more old school and prefer a standard timeline for composing music. I'm now thinking about going back to working with a more traditional daw and using Ableton only for audio loops. I think that this was Ableton's strong suit and working with midi in Live makes no sense to me anymore. I kind of wish that I could just trade live 7 for live 2. I just might get a cheap PC laptop to do that.

You don't make any fucking sense. You bitch that Live is too complicated now, so you're going to go back to using a more complicated piece of kit like ProFools? You are a dumb piece of shit. Go get yourself a cheap PC and make music that reflects reflects that.

[Pasha]

I saw many complaints about CPU load in Live 8.
I have tested my projects on two machines running L7 and L8,
a C2D 2,5 years old Macbook 2.0 Ghz with 2GB Ram and a 2008 iMac 2.66 GHz 2GB Ram. I won't publish my detailed results because they won't be of any
help but what I can say is that the Macbook still keeps up with L8
and the difference between L7 and L8 is 5-7%.
The same is confirmed on iMac. Not much difference knowing that betas run with debug enabled. Sure some new stuff like the Multiband Compressor and Collision/Operator are themselves CPU eaters but plain L8 is not IMHO.
Have you got the same impression?

- Best
- Pasha

[JJarvis]

I've been beta testing Live 8 and I must say that I am surprised by my disappointment. For one my computer just can't keep up with the cpu demands of running multiple operators on say a drum rack anymore. I was really excited about some of the new features like the looper and the track crossfades. However, Ableton has lost its simplicity as a live performance and remix tool. I admit that I never really worked well with session view as a song construction tool. So I guess I'm a little bit more old school and prefer a standard timeline for composing music. I'm now thinking about going back to working with a more traditional daw and using Ableton only for audio loops. I think that this was Ableton's strong suit and working with midi in Live makes no sense to me anymore. I kind of wish that I could just trade live 7 for live 2. I just might get a cheap PC laptop to do that.

You don't make any fucking sense. You bitch that Live is too complicated now, so you're going to go back to using a more complicated piece of kit like ProFools? You are a dumb piece of shit. Go get yourself a cheap PC and make music that reflects reflects that.

Calm down dude. I'm still plan on using Live for its strong points. All I'm saying is that I think live works best for audio loops and live performance situations. Session view just doesn't work for me in the creation process. If I'm only using the arrangement view, why use Live as a Daw? Before I got into using Live I was just happy with Protools and I find it very intuitive. I'm spending more of my time using my own sequencers and loopers in Max as well. From there I want arrange everything in Protools and maybe use Ableton for live performance or jamming with friends. I just might not use Live as much anymore though. What's wrong with that? The way we choose to make music is completely subjective. Everyone is different. Some producers use 5 daws and racks of synthesizers to get the sound they want. Other people are just fine with a cheap PC and Rebirth.