Where does Ableton just not cut it?

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:41 pm

It doesn't have a Pro Tools splash screen when I start it up. I've been complaining about this since version 5. It's embarrassing when I fire it up in front of Classic Rock musicians.

fiz · Post by **fiz** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:29 pm

Scroll wheel implementation seems to be a no brainer by now. Without it, more toys seems almost pointless to me, since for every new Live Device I will have to click and drag that much more.

Whereas, if I could change parameters with the scroll wheel alone, like in Zebra2 or Sylenth1, I would buy Live 8 the day it is issued. But at this point, I may hold off a year. For me, it makes that much difference.

condra · Post by **condra** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:31 pm

fiz wrote:Scroll wheel implementation seems to be a no brainer by now.

QFT

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:38 am

Live is really bad at making #1 chart toppers. I've only managed a few of them, and I've been working with Live for years!

I wish they'd really get cracking on that for version 9.

jamester · Post by **jamester** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:48 am

Scroll wheel + customizeable key commands and macro actions. Once you get used to having this, Live feels so slow and cumbersome with the way it forces you to do things.

djshine · Post by **djshine** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:39 am

honestly ableton has never made me angry.. ever... this program has never let me down, even under insane situations..

but the fact that they dont offer at least the option of warping the 'old way' as well as the new way has got to go down as the first time this program has actually made me angry since i started using it.

change is good - i get it. but there's probably a bunch of people who agree that even though you can make something better you sometimes shouldn't throw away the old idea..

all the other new toys and stuff rock - finding the vocoder a little lacking in modulation paramaters, but over all great stuff except making me feel like i lost my favorite feature of all

n0nce · Post by **n0nce** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:23 am

condra wrote:IMO Ableton need to focus on the core usability of the programme. We need workflow improvements, not more toys.

Exactly. WHAT WOULD TALENTLESS DJ'S USE. Focus on that. WHAT WOULD JESUS USE TO DJ?

aqua_tek · Post by **aqua_tek** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:14 am

beats me wrote:It doesn't have a Pro Tools splash screen when I start it up. I've been complaining about this since version 5. It's embarrassing when I fire it up in front of Classic Rock musicians.

I feel your pain my friend, I feel your pain. I also vote for skinnable effects on Live 10, and please include a Waves skin.

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:13 am

logic_user99 wrote:
condra wrote:IMO Ableton need to focus on the core usability of the programme. We need workflow improvements, not more toys.
+1 (although the 'looper' is going to solve MANY problems for me... LIVE DRUM LOOPS!)

the amazing thing is that I'm currently reviewing my tutorial videos to see what needs updating and despite Live 8 probably seeing the most features added of any version yet, the vast majority of the core stuff hasn't changed at all. Aside from the little groove pool icon, and other occasional visual clues, in most of the videos involved with using the core features of the program the Live 7 videos don't need to change

just thought I'd add that

twisted-space · Post by **twisted-space** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:26 am

condra wrote:IMO Ableton need to focus on the core usability of the programme. We need workflow improvements, not more toys.

+1

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:22 pm

Surround sound.

Return Track Limit (12).

Midi editing/routing features (scaling, transforming sends at value changes).

Bezier Curves in automation

I realize that maybe one of these things is available in 8, but I was too busy finding workarounds to try out the beta.

vicz · Post by **vicz** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:55 pm

Notator / notation view option in stead of piano roll

WaveRider · Post by **WaveRider** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:36 pm

...in many areas....

...like its missing an erase key when loop recording midi in real-time... witch in my opinion destroys the workflow

(all hardware midi sequencers (like an MPC) have an erase key witch let you erase events on the fly when loop recording)

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:09 pm

IMO, the only thing really lacking is the raw audio editing and loop recording (take comping). For doing things like drawing out clicks in waveforms etc, Live just doesn't have any good tools for this.

chis · Post by **chis** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:52 pm

Rendering down?

I hear that rendering down directly from Live produces inferior results to exporting a "multitrack" to Reaper / Logic etc, and rendering a final mix within those instead.

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