all my settings are correct,the L & R devices in Cubase are set
but i cannot see a generated midi clip in cubase,i can hear it only coming from ableton.
any thought???
recording rewire midi from ableton to cubase
Hi Lucy,
I think, Cubase can only be used as a rewire master and in this case, Live is the rewire slave. As a rewire slave it can only send audio to cubase, which is received on the rewire channels in cubase.
In this scenario, midi could only be send from cubase to Live.
Note, that VST instruments in Live are also not available, when Live is used as a rewire slave.
see also p. 422 in the manual
hope, that helps (and is correct)...
I think, Cubase can only be used as a rewire master and in this case, Live is the rewire slave. As a rewire slave it can only send audio to cubase, which is received on the rewire channels in cubase.
In this scenario, midi could only be send from cubase to Live.
Note, that VST instruments in Live are also not available, when Live is used as a rewire slave.
see also p. 422 in the manual
hope, that helps (and is correct)...
Yes Cubase is the master & Live is the Slave,so as i understand from what you're saying is that i cannot record midi in cubase from live,that's a real bummer.
i guess i can record midi in ableton but 4 that scenario i do not need cubase.
another issue i have in Live is that once i record a Midi clip with certain vst (simpler,impulse,albino etc) & would like to replace that midi clip with my synthesizer prestes (meaning record it as audio from that midi clip) that's impossible.
hope u can help....
Lucy
i guess i can record midi in ableton but 4 that scenario i do not need cubase.
another issue i have in Live is that once i record a Midi clip with certain vst (simpler,impulse,albino etc) & would like to replace that midi clip with my synthesizer prestes (meaning record it as audio from that midi clip) that's impossible.
hope u can help....
Lucy
Hi,
in the rewire scenario: no, no midi from Live to Cubase. Only midi from Cubase to Live.
What you could do though is to export your midi clip from Live as a 'standard midi file' and import that on a midi track in Cubase (if that serves your purpose).
Just selcted the MIDI clip in Live and use the File menu’s Export Selected MIDI Clip command. This command will open a file-save dialog,
allowing you to choose the location for your new MIDI file.
Import the saved file on a MIDI track in Cubase via the 'import' function in Cubase.
the second one is no problem and there a different methods to do this, since Live's great routing flexibilty (basically, you can route any track to any track - bewre of feedback loops, though).
1. To record your VST instrument just set up a new audio track in Live and select the MIDI track holding your VSTi as the input of the new audio track (click the first routing tab under 'audio from' on the audio track and select your midi track)
set monitor to 'IN' (I don't remember if that's mandatory right now)
record enable the audio track
enable global record
play your midi track
2. you can also record Live's master output to a new audio track, called 'resampling' in Live
more advanced settings - if you have effects in the track you want to record, you can choose in the second routing tab on the track you want to record to, if you want to record pre or post fader/mixer etc. that is, you can record from any point in the processing chain - just play around with that a little and youi will understand
i hope this is all correct, since I am not in front of Live right now...
good luck!
in the rewire scenario: no, no midi from Live to Cubase. Only midi from Cubase to Live.
What you could do though is to export your midi clip from Live as a 'standard midi file' and import that on a midi track in Cubase (if that serves your purpose).
Just selcted the MIDI clip in Live and use the File menu’s Export Selected MIDI Clip command. This command will open a file-save dialog,
allowing you to choose the location for your new MIDI file.
Import the saved file on a MIDI track in Cubase via the 'import' function in Cubase.
the second one is no problem and there a different methods to do this, since Live's great routing flexibilty (basically, you can route any track to any track - bewre of feedback loops, though).
1. To record your VST instrument just set up a new audio track in Live and select the MIDI track holding your VSTi as the input of the new audio track (click the first routing tab under 'audio from' on the audio track and select your midi track)
set monitor to 'IN' (I don't remember if that's mandatory right now)
record enable the audio track
enable global record
play your midi track
2. you can also record Live's master output to a new audio track, called 'resampling' in Live
more advanced settings - if you have effects in the track you want to record, you can choose in the second routing tab on the track you want to record to, if you want to record pre or post fader/mixer etc. that is, you can record from any point in the processing chain - just play around with that a little and youi will understand
i hope this is all correct, since I am not in front of Live right now...
good luck!
I forgot, see p. 160 - 165 in the manual for the routing, there a pictures that illustrate the options better, than I can explain
it's a little difficult to wrap your head around all this routing possibilities in the beginning, but it becomes clearer when you just experiment with the differnet settings
it's a little difficult to wrap your head around all this routing possibilities in the beginning, but it becomes clearer when you just experiment with the differnet settings
not sure that's what i meant,if i understand what you have explained is basically converting Midi track to Audio track,that part i know.
what i wanna do is simply record a midi clip with a desired VST then record it as an audio with my Roland hardware Synthesizer! (external) preset i choose,then discard the midi track.
that's all
not sure how to do so....
Lucy
what i wanna do is simply record a midi clip with a desired VST then record it as an audio with my Roland hardware Synthesizer! (external) preset i choose,then discard the midi track.
that's all
not sure how to do so....
Lucy
So what you're saying is you want to play a VSTi Syth creating a midi clip on a midi track and then taking away your soft synth and replacing it with your hardware synth, then, bouncing it down to audio? Is that right? 
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that's possible!
use the External Instrument device in your midi track (see ch. 22.4 in the manual)
connect your synth via midi to your audio interface
connect the audio outs of the synth to the interface audio ins
select your interface's midi and audio ports in the External Instrument device
maybe you have to adjust latency - examine the recorded waveforms in the audio clip, if they are, where you'd expect them to be (in the timeline)
use the External Instrument device in your midi track (see ch. 22.4 in the manual)
connect your synth via midi to your audio interface
connect the audio outs of the synth to the interface audio ins
select your interface's midi and audio ports in the External Instrument device
maybe you have to adjust latency - examine the recorded waveforms in the audio clip, if they are, where you'd expect them to be (in the timeline)
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monsieur.us
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Re: recording rewire midi from ableton to cubase
The fact that Live doesn't send MIDI to host sequencer in Rewire mode is a huge drawback. If audio can be sent why not MIDI? Also, in rewire mode Live doesn't operate any VSTi so what's the point in sending MIDI to Live?
I really look forward for this capability in Live 8!
I really look forward for this capability in Live 8!
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Re: recording rewire midi from ableton to cubase
In terms of Live not sending MIDI data back as a rewire slave, that is a limitation of REWIRE, so blame that on Propellerheads and Steinberg, who co-developed Rewire technology and continue to be the developers and licensers of the product.
In terms of not being able to use vstis within Live - not sure if this is a Rewire limitation, or something Ableton should look at fixing. Reason is a self contained instrument that does not host VSTis, so I don't know if they chose to develop that feature for other rewire slaves. I guess if you can use vstis within say Fruity Loops in rewire slave mode then it is an Ableton limitation.
In terms of not being able to use vstis within Live - not sure if this is a Rewire limitation, or something Ableton should look at fixing. Reason is a self contained instrument that does not host VSTis, so I don't know if they chose to develop that feature for other rewire slaves. I guess if you can use vstis within say Fruity Loops in rewire slave mode then it is an Ableton limitation.
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monsieur.us
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Re: recording rewire midi from ableton to cubase
"ReWire also provides for sending MIDI data between two applications (in both directions)."
http://www.propellerheads.se/substance/ ... icle=live0
If I understand the above correctly ReWire does allow transmission of MIDI in both directions (host to slave and slave to host). Am I still missing something?
In my case, I am running Nuendo as Master and Live as slave. I see all MIDI tracks of Live in Nuendo as Input channels but just that there is no MIDI data coming out from Live. Live is an amazing sequencer but the audio engine is not so great. So I would like use Live just as a MIDI sequencer and do all the mixing in Nuendo.
I not blaming or complaining just wondering why its not possible. Thanks for your comments.
http://www.propellerheads.se/substance/ ... icle=live0
If I understand the above correctly ReWire does allow transmission of MIDI in both directions (host to slave and slave to host). Am I still missing something?
In my case, I am running Nuendo as Master and Live as slave. I see all MIDI tracks of Live in Nuendo as Input channels but just that there is no MIDI data coming out from Live. Live is an amazing sequencer but the audio engine is not so great. So I would like use Live just as a MIDI sequencer and do all the mixing in Nuendo.
I not blaming or complaining just wondering why its not possible. Thanks for your comments.
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leedsquietman
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Re: recording rewire midi from ableton to cubase
No. MIDI does not come back from a slave application into the Master application. This is true in Reason and Live. You can control Reason's instruments or Simpler and stuff etc in Live.
I have rewired both to Cubase (seperately).
I have rewired both to Cubase (seperately).
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