Slice to Midi - Why is it just using the original sample?

[majestics]

Hi Ableton users,

This is my first post here and I have just made the jump from Acid pro.
I need to know something that has been bugging me.

When I slice to midi why can't I choose whether it uses the warped sample or the original sample.
The only workaround I have found for this is to paste the warped audio loop onto a new track, consolidate it then slice to new midi track.

I don't want to use the original sample anymore since I have just warped the loop!
why can't drum racks trigger the sample from the warped version since I have spent the time warping it. It just seems so destructive because If I want to change the tempo I have to do the above again.

Am I doing something wrong here? I hope the above makes sense.

[Nick the Zombie]

You can choose whether to slice according to warp markers or simple beat divisions in the slice to midi dialog box, unless I'm missing something here.

[majestics]

You can choose whether to slice according to warp markers or simple beat divisions in the slice to midi dialog box, unless I'm missing something here.

I know it can slice to warp markers but it doesn't use the warped sample, it uses the original sample but with the warped markers from the warped sample <- I really can't see the point in that.

[Green Lemon]

You can choose whether to slice according to warp markers or simple beat divisions in the slice to midi dialog box, unless I'm missing something here.

I know it can slice to warp markers but it doesn't use the warped sample, it uses the original sample but with the warped markers from the warped sample <- I really can't see the point in that.

You don't understand- there is no "warped sample". There is a warped clip. If you want a new sample, you consolidate your clip like you said. The point is to control where you slice the individual pieces out of the larger clip.

What are you looking for? I dont get how it would be any different if you had a new sample or not.

[contakt321]

The workaround I use is:

1. Import Audio Sample
2. Warp Audio Sample
3. Adjust Master Tempo to desired tempo
4. Create a new audio track
5. Record Warped Sample
6. Slice to Midi the new sample (which will be at the desired tempo)

Does anyone else have a better way of doing this? Curious how other people approach this.

[McQ714]

i think what he is looking for is a way to slice the audio to a midi track so that when playing back the midi notes by key or pad, the tempo of the slices plays back the same as the warped audio track. when a clip is sliced to midi, the new samples don't use the warping info when playing back those samples so it's not in sync with the current tempo of the project. not everyone warps out an entire song with a warp marker on each bar and sometimes that's all you want sliced out is just a few bars of a track to sample. not totally sure if that's what you're looking for but i had that confusion about a week ago in attempting to do a remix of a track and found it to be a PITA to just pull out certain parts of the track. why doesn't Live have a slicing tool that allows you to cut out certain parts of a warped track? or maybe they do and i just haven't found it in the last year of using Live. I want the entire warped audio clip uncut on one track, then duplicate that track and cut out the pieces i don't want without having to resize the clip and move markers to get just the few bars from the middle of the song that i want to sample from it.

[Green Lemon]

The workaround I use is:

1. Import Audio Sample
2. Warp Audio Sample
3. Adjust Master Tempo to desired tempo
4. Create a new audio track
5. Record Warped Sample
6. Slice to Midi the new sample (which will be at the desired tempo)

Does anyone else have a better way of doing this? Curious how other people approach this.

How is this different from simply consolidating the warped clip at the desired tempo, and slicing that?

[contakt321]

What do you mean by consolidating the clip? (sorry, probably a dumb question) Is this the same as the process I described? I work mostly in midi and have been using audio more and more so maybe you know a better/faster way than I do to do this.

[nbinder]

I had the same problem... of course it is split into smaller pieces, but if those are e.g. 8th notes, it DOES matter that the original sample is not timestretched.

I solved it by rendering the warped audio clip to another clip (at the desired tempo) and then slicing it.

[majestics]

I had the same problem... of course it is split into smaller pieces, but if those are e.g. 8th notes, it DOES matter that the original sample is not timestretched.

I solved it by rendering the warped audio clip to another clip (at the desired tempo) and then slicing it.

Ok I see. So the only way around this is by rendering to a new track which I was doing.
My god what a backwards way of doing things.

So does anyone know of a program or vsti that actually has this function?

[Green Lemon]

What do you mean by consolidating the clip? (sorry, probably a dumb question) Is this the same as the process I described? I work mostly in midi and have been using audio more and more so maybe you know a better/faster way than I do to do this.

To consolidate a clip you drag it into the arrangement and ht command J. This makes a new audio file integrating all the current settings and FX chain into the audio.

I'm not sure there would be any other way of doing what you guys are after (which is def. worthwhile) than making a new audio file...you have to understand that 2 clips, one warped and the other unwarped, can reference the same audio file. So its not so "backwards" as it is "the nature of the beast".

I'm not sure if consolidate works with midi, I don't use a lot of midi....

[majestics]

I'm not sure there would be any other way of doing what you guys are after (which is def. worthwhile) than making a new audio file...you have to understand that 2 clips, one warped and the other unwarped, can reference the same audio file. So its not so "backwards" as it is "the nature of the beast".

Well to me it is backwards and illogical. It's not like i'm using some external software or hardware. Everything is internal so it should be pretty standard.

I just thought with this feature in live 7 I was finally able to trigger my warped clips as they actually sound in the arrangement view.

So does anyone know a vsti that can do this?

[logic_user99]

Well to me it is backwards and illogical. It's not like i'm using some external software or hardware. Everything is internal so it should be pretty standard.

I just thought with this feature in live 7 I was finally able to trigger my warped clips as they actually sound in the arrangement view.

So does anyone know a vsti that can do this?

You're kinda missing the point there, majestics. The warp points only act as a reference to a file, and then warp said file; they don't make a lasting mark on the audio file unless you render it to a new audio file at the new, warped tempo.

I don't know of any plugins that do that (unless maybe you get Recycle and REX everything. Or get NI's Kontakt).

Just go with it.

[Willyum]

The reason this can not be done is because Ableton STILL has not put time stretch into their Sampler/Simpler.

The warp markers tell live how much to time stretch a sample from warp marker to warp marker. Being that none of the samplers have time stretch, this information gets lost in translation. Impulse has time stretch but Ableton does not allow Impulse to be a default device in 'slice to midi'.

Take a sampled drum riff that's slightly off timing that has 4 warp markers to correct it...

From marker 1 to 2 speed is fine. marker 1 time stretch = 0
From marker 2 to 3 speed is slow. marker 2 time stretch = +2
From marker 3 to 4 speed is fine. marker 3 time stretch = 0
From marker 4 to end speed is fast. marker 4 time stretch = -1

If Sampler or simpler had time stretch, or if impulse was allowed to be used. The warp marker 'time stretch' value (0,+2,0,-1) could be passed on with the slices. THEN your slices would match your warped (warp=stretch) file.

For some reason Ableton refuses to do this and has not commented (as far as I know) on this. This is not just beneficial for sample timing, it is also necessary for sample tuning. I guess they feel musicians who use sampled clips don't tune their sounds like other musicians. Or maybe ableton does not want to be associated with quality sample based music....

[Willyum]

Just go with it.

Wrong answer.
This is not free software that you were giving as a gift. This is an investment that you are now a part of. Just Like I hate seeing beta testers looking for work-arounds. If you let the DAW be flawed, eventually people will go elsewhere, Ableton will become weak. You have to push for Ableton Live to be the absolute best so everyone will want it and drool over it. Live stays the BEST possible DAW and continues to thrive!