Dear Live Users, hardcore warpmaker movers,
we plan to do a small change in the "orig. tempo" display:
Currently it displays the time after the selected warp maker.
If you move this marker the value does not change at all if it is the last marker or it displays the tempo of the segment between this marker and the next one.
Now we plan to have it like this:
The tempo is allways displayed between the selected warpmarker and the previous one. If you move the last maker, you are redefining the tempo of the segment between this marker and the previous one and this is what will be displayed in the future.
Typically this is the segment you would loop while warping it.
We think this is the segement of which you want to know / adjust the tempo !?
I hope this was clear enough.
If you have any objections against this change, let us know.
Thanx !
Happy 2005,
Robert Henke
Ableton
Ableton Orig. Tempo Question
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Robert Henke
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Hi Robert,
I just opened up LIve and experimented a bit. I hadnt really noticed the tempo settings in that way before. But now that my attention is drawn to it I reckon it probably would be better if the tempo setting changes to indicate the section of loop previous to the currenty warp marker, as you say. If this way gives a better indication of the original tempo of the piece of audio at hand then it would probably allow for quicker adjustment of the main tempo to get the loop sounding less warped (thats if it deviates from the current main tempo a lot).
Also, as its normal to pull the first warp marker up to the start point of the loop of interest and then insert a new marker of required length i.e. 1 bar, 2 bar etc... If the tempo setting then gives feedback as to the original tempo of the audio then it should be helpful for adjusting the main tempo to get the loop unwarped sounding. I guess if you also had a rough idea about the original tempo of the audio you were warp markering, then you could use the information from the tempo display as another indication of where the 2nd warp marker should go, thus you could use ears, visuals and tempo feedback to warp mark more efficiently and quickly
I just opened up LIve and experimented a bit. I hadnt really noticed the tempo settings in that way before. But now that my attention is drawn to it I reckon it probably would be better if the tempo setting changes to indicate the section of loop previous to the currenty warp marker, as you say. If this way gives a better indication of the original tempo of the piece of audio at hand then it would probably allow for quicker adjustment of the main tempo to get the loop sounding less warped (thats if it deviates from the current main tempo a lot).
Also, as its normal to pull the first warp marker up to the start point of the loop of interest and then insert a new marker of required length i.e. 1 bar, 2 bar etc... If the tempo setting then gives feedback as to the original tempo of the audio then it should be helpful for adjusting the main tempo to get the loop unwarped sounding. I guess if you also had a rough idea about the original tempo of the audio you were warp markering, then you could use the information from the tempo display as another indication of where the 2nd warp marker should go, thus you could use ears, visuals and tempo feedback to warp mark more efficiently and quickly
Yess
Do it... It's been bugin me a lot lately
I used to work like this in those fields:
1 I created a new warp marker
2 I moved it around
3 I clicked on the previus marker to see the tempo
4 I clicked on the warp marker I created to move it
then I repeated step 3 and 4 a couple of houndred times
Now I do like this:
1 I create a new warp marker
2 I move it around
3 I click on the "orig. tempo" display, type in a value, hit enter and wach the warp marker jump off
4 I type a new value, hit enter and wath the warp marker jump around
Its great fun
I repeat step 4 a couple of houndred times
- It makes more sense if You change it..
Cheers
Do it... It's been bugin me a lot lately
I used to work like this in those fields:
1 I created a new warp marker
2 I moved it around
3 I clicked on the previus marker to see the tempo
4 I clicked on the warp marker I created to move it
then I repeated step 3 and 4 a couple of houndred times
Now I do like this:
1 I create a new warp marker
2 I move it around
3 I click on the "orig. tempo" display, type in a value, hit enter and wach the warp marker jump off
4 I type a new value, hit enter and wath the warp marker jump around
Its great funI repeat step 4 a couple of houndred times
- It makes more sense if You change it..
Cheers
I think the most elegant solution would be to have little numeric tempo displays in the wave window BETWEEN each marker you create. Maybe the top of the window left-justified.
A good model for this is Nuendo's or Cubase SX's Time Warp feature... when you select the time warp tool... you actually see the tempo changes in the ruler.
My 2 cents.
AK
A good model for this is Nuendo's or Cubase SX's Time Warp feature... when you select the time warp tool... you actually see the tempo changes in the ruler.
My 2 cents.
AK