ableton needs to be half the price

[DrXparaMental]

Personally I am glad that it costs as much as it does. The Abes need to make some money, and those of us that have been steadily upgrading seem to be rewarded by this all. For someone like myself that owned 7 suite, the upgrade was only $239 (after taxes) with a coupon for the boxed upgrade. Seems completely reasonable to me.

If you haven't purchased the suite, then upgrading or starting with the suite is going to cost you. Live is not a standard DAW. It just happens to have an extensive DAW feature set on top of being what it is.

Dont disturb the whine fest!!

LOL!!! (that was funE!) I really don't get this at all. I am a poor MFer and don't even begin to have the money to throw at this like it didn't matter. I guess I am just old enough to realize the cost of business because of how the business I myself am directly involved in is struggling to survive. Does anybody honestly believe the Abes are hoping to make a killing considering all the over head they have taken on in the last 2 years? Do you think that all the new engineers that Ableton is now employing with respect to R&D come cheap? I know a lot of people in this forum were familiar with cycling74 several years back. That dope was insanely expensive back then and these are the heads that are in the game with the original Abes crew presently. The design, facilitation, instrumentation and actual software architecture upgrades are well worth 5small any day of the week with respect to an upgrade. If you don't want suite, don't buy it. For Pete's snake, you can get Live 8 as an upgrade for a song and it has EVERY actual architectural change that the Abes just implemented, included! I know a lot of peps here is hurtin' for certain but we gotta stay real. The Abe's bills are as real as ours. Come on guys, everyone of us, including the Abes is in this shit economy Obama fairytale together.

[nowtime]

AGREE; Price = whine.

They should at least give me fucking Sampler. Maybe I'm the only fool who doesn't own it and can't afford Suite and won't pay the single asking price.

But I am upgrading to basic 8.

[Hardtoe]

Sure other programs have lots of "stuff" but what I like about live is the way it works at its core, not all the other flashy features bundled in various daws - I for one always prefer to pay more for a high quality tool that works well for me, than some do all, marketing hype, extravanganza - plus I think a lot of companies are selling stuff so cheap they are putting their very existance in danger - I have been a user since ver 3 and will continue to do so (had some not so positive experiences failing to do simple things in DP and Logic)

[Machinesworking]

Personally I am glad that it costs as much as it does. The Abes need to make some money, and those of us that have been steadily upgrading seem to be rewarded by this all. For someone like myself that owned 7 suite, the upgrade was only $239 (after taxes) with a coupon for the boxed upgrade. Seems completely reasonable to me.

If you haven't purchased the suite, then upgrading or starting with the suite is going to cost you. Live is not a standard DAW. It just happens to have an extensive DAW feature set on top of being what it is.

not to stir the pot anymore, but why charge you guys $10 more to upgrade when you already own everything? Are you getting the boxed version VS download? It's not much, but it's kind of odd? All told, with coupons etc. my upgrade price from 7 download to 8 boxed suite will be $399. (when I get the cash..)

[b0unce]

Coupon Shmoupon, I'll be buying my live8 suite boxed deal when live9 is only weeks from release.

Smooth sailing from a stable(as-its-gonna-get) 7, to a stable(as-its-gonna-get) 8. That's how I dos it.

[aisling]

AGREE; Price = whine.

They should at least give me fucking Sampler. Maybe I'm the only fool who doesn't own it and can't afford Suite and won't pay the single asking price.

But I am upgrading to basic 8.

I am there with you.

[duluxdog]

I'm staying at Live 7, can't afford to buy Live 8. The main thing that i'm interested in, Max for Live, doesn't come out until later this year anyway.

[JJarvis]

I'm just tired of the annual updates. Why do they feel that they have to do a full version update nearly once a year? Reason is about the same age as Live and is only at version 4. While Logic is nearly 20 years old and is only at version 8. It's really sad when I can't even multitrack record in Live anymore. I was using Live 5 - 7 as my main DAW. But ever since I've switched over to Logic I just haven't looked back. I can actually manage projects with 16 tracks and not have to worry about my DAW crashing. I still have live 7 and for the time being I don't plan on selling it. However, it's already been nearly 2 months since I last opened Live. What needs to happen for Live is the realization that it makes a better live performance tool than a DAW. It's simplicity with version 4 is what brought me in originally. Now it just doesn't feel quite as fun to use anymore.

[Jarvisimon]

Reason is about the same age as Live and is only at version 4.

And it shows. Reason is so far behind what Live can do it's not been worth me upgrading my license despite it only costing £69 to do so.

It's also likely that by the time Reason gets updated its tools will be outmoded within a year.

Ableton are definitely one of the more innovative software manufacturers on the music scene by a long stretch.

[JJarvis]

Yea but Reason has never tried to be a full featured Daw. It is good at what it does and it has never wasted time at being anything more than just Reason. I think that Live would benefit from this approach rather than trying to be a Daw. Everybody is celebrating about track crossfades and group tracks. None of these features are breakthroughs. The majority of producers will work with audio and multitracking in more seasoned daws that have included these features for years. Live should be focusing on killer Live performance tools and deeper hardware integration. It should be a simple program for remixes and live performance purposes. There is nothing else that can compete with that. Besides the new looper, I see very little here that will make Live 8 better for live performance. I'm actually thinking about getting a netbook and running Live 4 or 5.

Also, we constantly hear about a complete overhaul that would be needed to address simple things like recording automation in session view. I would have totally supported ableton if they decided to continue on with Live as a performance software and to develop a completely new product that would be their daw. The problem is that live was never originally conceived to be a fully featured daw. So the original program architecture has become an obstacle in developing Live as a daw.

[Tone Deft]

I'm just tired of the annual updates. Why do they feel that they have to do a full version update nearly once a year? Reason is about the same age as Live and is only at version 4. While Logic is nearly 20 years old and is only at version 8. It's really sad when I can't even multitrack record in Live anymore. I was using Live 5 - 7 as my main DAW. But ever since I've switched over to Logic I just haven't looked back. I can actually manage projects with 16 tracks and not have to worry about my DAW crashing. I still have live 7 and for the time being I don't plan on selling it. However, it's already been nearly 2 months since I last opened Live. What needs to happen for Live is the realization that it makes a better live performance tool than a DAW. It's simplicity with version 4 is what brought me in originally. Now it just doesn't feel quite as fun to use anymore.

who cares?!?!? you completely fail to mention the pertinent part THE NEW FEATURES!!

if you don't want to use it, don't. if you can't use it, don't. life isn't that complicated.

[skipkent]

$159 to buy Operator
$129 for Analog
$129 for Electric
$129 for Tension

NO discounts of any sort for current users because, obviously, only current users can use these instruments.

Would ANYONE here pay that sort of cash for any of these instruments? Has anyone?

Honest question.

[Tone Deft]

$159 to buy Operator
$129 for Analog
$129 for Electric
$129 for Tension

NO discounts of any sort for current users because, obviously, only current users can use these instruments.

Would ANYONE here pay that sort of cash for any of these instruments? Has anyone?

Honest question.

already did.

[JJarvis]

I'm just tired of the annual updates. Why do they feel that they have to do a full version update nearly once a year? Reason is about the same age as Live and is only at version 4. While Logic is nearly 20 years old and is only at version 8. It's really sad when I can't even multitrack record in Live anymore. I was using Live 5 - 7 as my main DAW. But ever since I've switched over to Logic I just haven't looked back. I can actually manage projects with 16 tracks and not have to worry about my DAW crashing. I still have live 7 and for the time being I don't plan on selling it. However, it's already been nearly 2 months since I last opened Live. What needs to happen for Live is the realization that it makes a better live performance tool than a DAW. It's simplicity with version 4 is what brought me in originally. Now it just doesn't feel quite as fun to use anymore.

who cares?!?!? you completely fail to mention the pertinent part THE NEW FEATURES!!

if you don't want to use it, don't. if you can't use it, don't. life isn't that complicated.

The problem is that these new features are already available in other daws:

-groove quantize/extractions
-audio crossfades
-parallel compression
-grouped tracks
-midi step input

[Tone Deft]

The problem is that these new features are already available in other sequencers.

yes, and so Ableton is closing the feature gap with the other DAWs, and there are features that other DAWs don't have. wait for one of the others to come up with a Session View equivalent, then the waters will get very muddy. except Live now runs max/msp/jitter natively, which will be IMPOSSIBLE for other DAWs to catch up to unless C74 allows that to happen, which I doubt. some other DAW could scoop up Reaktor, that would be interesting.

I still don't see what's bad about getting new features every year with Live. you also seem to be saying that other DAWs are stagnant in their development and that's somehow good.

find what you like and use it. I won't use more than one DAW, it spreads my learning too thin.