The $1200 is a guess because I do not feel like looking up the price for MAX for Live. Suit is $700 and I thought Max was around $500. I could be wrong.mock wrote:I'm not really sure where that 1200 figure is coming from. However when comparing Logic to Live, you need to keep in mind that Logic is developped by Apple for Macs only. What this means is that they can leverage the Mac only technologies to ease up many of the tasks (they can basically rely on the cocoa+CoreAudio+QT toolkit which are extremely powerful). Furthermore Logic's team probably has access to source code and undocumented features of the various frameworks they use. All that means a lot less hassle than producing an app that runs on 2 OS with a wide variety of audio and midi drivers. And then there's also the future M4L, which also means (if it holds its promises) that they had to come up with solutions for the gaps that may exist - design wise - between those two technologies.Mike Goodwin wrote: Live is no longer competing price wise. Live suit with MAX I'm not sure but that would get to about $1200? logic is $500? Different yes but there is no production DAW that offers as much as logic. I am not talking about Pro Tools HD here. I put that under the recording side of things.
Plus Logic doesn't support VST's and check the beta bugs to see how much work went into supporting third party's vsts AND AU.
Now deciding whether Live is overpriced is up to you, but let's not compare extremely complex systems as if there was nothing more to them than price. Complex systems mean trade-offs, pricing may be one of the components of those.
Finally, if you were to upgrade from 7 suite DL to 8 suite DL, it meant saving less than 4 bucks a day since the announcement. Again, the sacrifices it might imply is up to you, but still.
I wrote this big ass post and in the middle of it my videocard overheated and my computer crashed. In the end all I am saying is that I don't care about the reasoning and the all the unknowns. Or weather or not Ableton is lining there pockets or just scraping buy. It is nothing personal with me. Sure the price pissed me off. I'm over it. It took one day. Nothing takes away that Live is the most expensive of all the mainstream DAW's now. It is not a debate. They are not keeping with the general market value. The only systems that are more expensive that I now of are Nuendo, Sequoia and Pyramix. All of wich offer totaly differnt things but are more complex than live. Again I am not talking about Pro Tools HD because I do not see it as a good production tool. It is a fantasting recording platform.