ableton needs to be half the price

[man ovaboardz]

as much as im disappointed with individual instruments being overpriced, and the edu suite being discontinued, there's no way now they are gonna change the prices after people have purchased at the current pricing... too much of a P.R. nightmare... we can be disgruntled, but to sit around waiting on a price change is absurd... those that have already paid whatever prices would then be upset if they were to change it now... i was gonna go simple upgrade 7 to 8, then i decided to go edu suite 8, then i decided to just simple stick w/ 7 b/c im perfectly fine with it... i was really set on gettin' operator, but now instead i'm really looking forward to ozone 4 or alchemy instead... im fine w/ my workflow... i'm @ peace w/ 7... maybe 9 will be for me...

[TITBAG]

I was talking to Letitia Dean last night over bloody marys in the green room. She thinks the Live 8 pricing is an outrage and is considering co-ordinating a UK version of the Hollywood writers strike as a heavyweight protest against this miscarriage of justice. She is prepared to throw her considerable weight behind this cause and has just had her teeth bleached so the PR potential should not be underestimated by Mr Henke.

[Jarvisimon]

I was talking to Letitia Dean last night over bloody marys in the green room. She thinks the Live 8 pricing is an outrage and is considering co-ordinating a UK version of the Hollywood writers strike as a heavyweight protest against this miscarriage of justice. She is prepared to throw her considerable weight behind this cause and has just had her teeth bleached so the PR potential should not be underestimated by Mr Henke.

Funnily enough Letitia Dean has a house just around a few corners from where I am presently living. I think her parents live there now but it was her home for a number of years.

I heard she didn't think it was expensive enough!

[TITBAG]

I was talking to Letitia Dean last night over bloody marys in the green room. She thinks the Live 8 pricing is an outrage and is considering co-ordinating a UK version of the Hollywood writers strike as a heavyweight protest against this miscarriage of justice. She is prepared to throw her considerable weight behind this cause and has just had her teeth bleached so the PR potential should not be underestimated by Mr Henke.

Funnily enough Letitia Dean has a house just around a few corners from where I am presently living. I think her parents live there now but it was her home for a number of years.

I heard she didn't think it was expensive enough!

My god you are the new go-to person for this forum. Mr Henke can we get an LD subsection and make Jarvis'sMom the moderator? Finally there will be a place to consolidate all the Live-related LD material that I have been sitting on. Can you get some jpegs of her house? Possibly 3.2 megapixels or greater.

[JAMM]

Everything got his price and you can offer me 300 plug-ins together with cubug or unlogic but still prefer ableton live. Yes it,s pricy but i still think it,s worth the money. The abs programmers have to be paid to make our great program even better so i don,t have a problem to pay some extra euro,s for that reason.

[melocoton]

Different subject entirely, but I think I'm gonna have to jump off the yearly upgrade bandwagon.

That's a bad move because then next year's upgrade will cost you $378. I think Ableton has decided to run Live as a yearly subscription model but they just won't come out and say it.

I decided to skip 7, so the upgrade to 8 is $250 for me. $120 for the Live 7 upgrade + $189 for the 8 upgrade - $30 coupon = $279, which means it would have only cost me $29 extra to own 7 for the past year!

[Machinesworking]

Different subject entirely, but I think I'm gonna have to jump off the yearly upgrade bandwagon. If there's one legit complaint about Ableton I could throw out there it's that other DAW manufacturers tend to wait at least 18 months between upgrades, Live has gone from 3 to 8 in the same period of time that Logic has gone from 6 to 8, and Digital Performer has gone from 4 to 6. The cost of Keeping up with Live is more than the others.

Has the diffrence in quality gone up faster as well? Or do you think even though they have done fewer upgrades, they have acheived the same level/rate of progression?

Yes, Logic and DP have both had really great upgrades, that at least equal two of Live's.
Logic went from no included instruments to the shed load they have now, and in the next update bundled three other applications with Logic. DP added a ton as well.
MOTU in particular have a great model on upgrades, it's $200 every time, and it's $200 regardless of what version of Digital Performer you're upgrading from, so you're not punished for skipping upgrades.

Unlike other people here I'm not knocking the other DAWs they all have strong points, and I don't hate Ableton for being expensive, I just wish they hadn't raised the price of the download upgrade so much, that's all. Maybe this will be the last yearly upgrade? I kind of hope so. Especially considering the upgrade price is in line with the others, and in many ways you could say two Ableton upgrades add up to one Logic / DP upgrade.

[Machinesworking]

Different subject entirely, but I think I'm gonna have to jump off the yearly upgrade bandwagon.

That's a bad move because then next year's upgrade will cost you $378. I think Ableton has decided to run Live as a yearly subscription model but they just won't come out and say it.

I decided to skip 7, so the upgrade to 8 is $250 for me. $120 for the Live 7 upgrade + $189 for the 8 upgrade - $30 coupon = $279, which means it would have only cost me $29 extra to own 7 for the past year!

Yeah, that's not that strange really. Like my above post said, when I bothered upgrading Digital Performer from 2.7.2 to 5, and realize there was about 6 years between them, it cost me $200, just like the guy who bought every upgrade, totaling 600-800$. Their scheme makes it costly to upgrade from your perspective, though the users that do get to play with the latest versions etc.
Also, you don't have to upgrade to 7, if you did right before they announced 8, then that's just bad luck, that's all. Best thing to do is wait a year. Buy Live 8 right after they announce 9, and run 8, then when you open 9 next year, you get a free copy of 10 etc. This is serious patience, but a guy posted that he did this, and thus got free upgrades, and the most stable versions of Live available to work with. It's some serious gear lust patience, but hey, more power to him I say!

[nowtime]

Yeah , I did that with 6. Waited till the last minute and got L7 for free 6 weeks later. Not this time. I'm getting 8 in a couple months when it's more stable.

But I still whine and say Abes should throw us longtime users a bone. More than a 20D coupon. A free toy of choice (Sampler).

Next update, when the economy will probably be in the shits, we will see ALL KINDS of deals. I can see why they would take advantage of this moment and ream us, considering this may be the end of the masses having expendable income.

[Robbson]

Solutions for everybody

This shop sucks, they don't know what they are selling!

They pretend to sell Samplitude for only half of the original price since the end of 2008. There's no way to get even the standard version of Samplitude that cheap in any other shop or even Germany (where it also comes from).
But if you look carefully in the article text you see they say the package is also usable as crossgrade. This is nonsense because there's no official crossgrade that can also be used standalone. So they just sell crossgrade versions which indeed cost only the half of the price. But what if they sell the crossgrade as the standalone version? Because they don't even want a proof that you have any of those major DAWs from where you can upgrade from. If this is the case then the offer could even be illegal.

If they would offer the retail version of Samplitude Pro with its original price at £750 (minimum) then this package would easily be on top of the list.

Robbson

[wildcon]

Hi,

Well I love Live and have forked out for the upgrade for 8.

However, I really do think it is definitely overpriced in comparison with other DAWs,
when you look at what you get for your money. Especially when you see the effects and instruments set with the new releases (Cubase 5 for example).

The basic Live should be more encompassing (Sampler for definite). You shouldn't have to fork out to get the suite. And the price of the seperate instruments - don't get me started

Thg=is is the first time I've had to really consider whether it was worth upgrading. Folder tracks and the groove engine did it for me (but again these are standard in other DAW's

Cheers

[melocoton]

Also, you don't have to upgrade to 7, if you did right before they announced 8, then that's just bad luck, that's all.

No no, you're missing my point, I never upgraded to 7.

Live 6 -> Live 8 upgrade = $249

Live 6 -> Live 7 = $120 + Live 7 -> Live 8 = $159 = $279

So by skipping Live 7 I only saved $30! That's not right. If I knew that was going to be the case I would have upgraded to 7 at the time for the extra $30 and I could have been using that for the past year.

[melocoton]

It sort of pisses me off to see some people complaining about their $159 upgrade (after the coupon) when some of us are paying $250!

Ironically I also skipped Logic 7. The upgrade from Logic 6 - 8 was only $200 and that was an enormous jump. A totally nicely refined GUI, some extra plugins, extra bundled apps, etc.

[Machinesworking]

It sort of pisses me off to see some people complaining about their $159 upgrade (after the coupon) when some of us are paying $250!

Well look at it from the standpoint of a business, you haven't helped them run their business for more than a year, while people who handed them at least $119 a year ago are getting a mediocre deal at best, it's still more expensive than it used to be with the discount.

Ironically I also skipped Logic 7. The upgrade from Logic 6 - 8 was only $200 and that was an enormous jump. A totally nicely refined GUI, some extra plugins, extra bundled apps, etc.

So in this case you paid $299 less than I did, and I supported Logic on most upgrades. To make it even less fair, some people bought the Pro upgrade that came out before 7 for $199, so they paid $498 more than you did and you still got Logic 8 at the same price they got it for. This works in both directions, companies can't really win with this. Though when I'm broke like I am now I agree with you that it should always be the same price.

[markos]

Okay first off, lets stop thinking like consumers here and put yourself in abletons shoes.

The purchase price at which ableton has live 8 listed for may seem a bit high but put into consideration what you are getting:

- Ableton Live 8
- Sampler
- Operator
- Collision
- Electric
- Analog
- Tension
- Drum Machines
- Latin Percussion
- Session Drums (ships with box)
- Essential Instrument Collection 2 (ships with box)
- Plus all of the plug ins, midi clips, and loops

Okay now your saying, well logic and pro tools and so on and so on offer a whole whack of vst's, plug ins, and sounds for half that....BUT ableton also acts as a performance tool. so realistically, your not just getting a DAW. Your getting a production centre DAW with all of these sounds and instruments, PLUS a DVS system....

also, have you put into consideration the amount of discounts you get as a valued ableton live customer??? I bought ableton live 6 just before they upgraded to 7 in the summer of 2007. I skipped out on live 7 because i was still learning live, and heard rumours of upgrades to live 8. well now, i can get suite for an upgrade price of just over 400 bucks.

Ableton live, may seem expensive, but I think they have it priced just exactly where they should have it. no other DAW offers you the control of making tracks in your studio during the day on your laptop, and taking that same laptop to a gig in the city later on that night.

and considering that some of the DVS systems out there right now are priced around 500 - 700 bucks, i think ableton live is one hell of a deal.

Basically, to sum things up:

ableton live may pinch your pockets a bit to hard the first time you buy, but once your in, the savings in upgrades pays off.