France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

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France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by Lux Libra » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:13 am

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French internet users persisting in illicit downloading of music and films could have the plug pulled on their internet if a controversial new law is approved.
Marc Guez, managing director of France's Society of Phonographic Producers (SCPP)
Marc Guez from SCPP said users must pay for what they consume

Under plans by the French government, illegal downloaders would be barred from broadband access by their Internet Service Providers (ISPs) after three warnings.

The three-strikes law means alleged wrongdoers will first get a warning e-mail, then a letter through the post, followed by their connection being cut off for up to a year.

A proposed state agency would gather the Internet Protocol (IP) addresses of people involved in illegal file-sharing.

Marc Guez, managing director of France's Society of Phonographic Producers (SCPP), said record companies are losing millions in profits to piracy.

He said the internet is "killing all of the creative industries little by little" and that governments must take action against piracy.

He expects other industries to follow in the steps of record companies.

"We are the first ones, but the movie industry is going to come and the gaming industry is going to follow, and the software industry and so on," he added.

Actual offenders

However, the scheme has faced opposition from civil liberty groups concerned about the invasion of privacy.
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Other critics pointed out that IP addresses are not necessarily pinned to one individual, so it could be difficult to find the actual offenders.

For instance, anyone taking their laptop out for a stroll could potentially piggy-back on someone else's unlocked wireless connection.

If the net intruder then downloaded content illegally, it would be the service's subscriber who would receive a letter of warning.

Despite these concerns, the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry is continuing to lobby governments to get strict laws enacted across the world.

If the French scheme is given the go ahead in early April and adopted successfully, it could offer a potential model for other countries.

New Zealand is now considering whether to push ahead with a new tougher copyright law, despite protests from activists across the internet.

Sweden considered with idea but decided not to cut off their citizens' internet, and Germany's justice minister branded the punishment "unreasonable".

Innovative models

The debate in France has raised the question of how to reward creativity and how music and digital content should be distributed.
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One website came up with an innovative business plan by offering free music for private use, and charging those who stand to make money from it.

The founder of Jamendo.com, Sylvain Zimmer, believes that punishing music lovers is not the way forward.

"We think we will create more value and more innovative things if we reward the biggest fans of the artists," he said.

He added that the solution is "innovation and trying to come up with new models instead of trying to enforce the old one with law".

But Mr Guez from SCPP disagrees - he believes in the "pay for what you consume" business model already in use.

"It is a very simple model, very old, and it works," he said.

The alternative of a flat monthly rate for downloads as part of a broadband subscription package is not out of the question for the industry - but only if it is backed up with strong piracy law.

"We want to keep the same habits of those downloading illegally and move them to sites where they can download legally from legal sites," said Mr Guez from SCPP.

But some doubt whether the record industry would ever relinquish the enormous control they have over who and what songs become big hits.

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by grizzler » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:26 am

Sounds like a good idea to me, only if it worked.....
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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by b0unce » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:29 am

The law hasn't been approved yet, according to that article....

Even if it worked flawlessly, it's implications are vast. Intellectual property, personal privacy, a music industry that became obese on money through technological advances (in distribution, for example), stands to be deflated by the evolution of those technologies. it seems the Industry believes it now has a god-given right to remain fat, even at the cost of every single internet users privacy... it reads like one small baby-step for the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, and one giant-leap for corporate fascism.

Even brushing the music industry debate aside, whatever the answer - our liberties & privacy shouldn't suffer as a consequence. No?
How long more after they install a measure like this, do you think it would take them to legislate and start using the same technology to monitor who reads what when. Or even invasive marketing techniques ? ...heh, I can't even conceive the orwellian evil it could be put to use for. if it passes, we'll be told it's for our benefit and if we're not terrorist pirates we have nothing to worry about.

There should be huge protests against this 'solution', and not just because you want to download free mp3s (but if that's all that motivates you, roll with it)

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by pepezabala » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:47 am

Taking away internet-acces from people who download illegaly is like taking away the driving license from people that do not buy subway tickets.

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by Green Lemon » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:05 pm

b0unce wrote:The law hasn't been approved yet, according to that article....

Even if it worked flawlessly, it's implications are vast. Intellectual property, personal privacy, a music industry that became obese on money through technological advances (in distribution, for example), stands to be deflated by the evolution of those technologies. it seems the Industry believes it now has a god-given right to remain fat, even at the cost of every single internet users privacy... it reads like one small baby-step for the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, and one giant-leap for corporate fascism.

Even brushing the music industry debate aside, whatever the answer - our liberties & privacy shouldn't suffer as a consequence. No?
How long more after they install a measure like this, do you think it would take them to legislate and start using the same technology to monitor who reads what when. Or even invasive marketing techniques ? ...heh, I can't even conceive the orwellian evil it could be put to use for. if it passes, we'll be told it's for our benefit and if we're not terrorist pirates we have nothing to worry about.

There should be huge protests against this 'solution', and not just because you want to download free mp3s (but if that's all that motivates you, roll with it)

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by Aequitas123 » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:26 pm

b0unce wrote:The law hasn't been approved yet, according to that article....

Even if it worked flawlessly, it's implications are vast. Intellectual property, personal privacy, a music industry that became obese on money through technological advances (in distribution, for example), stands to be deflated by the evolution of those technologies. it seems the Industry believes it now has a god-given right to remain fat, even at the cost of every single internet users privacy... it reads like one small baby-step for the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, and one giant-leap for corporate fascism.

Even brushing the music industry debate aside, whatever the answer - our liberties & privacy shouldn't suffer as a consequence. No?
How long more after they install a measure like this, do you think it would take them to legislate and start using the same technology to monitor who reads what when. Or even invasive marketing techniques ? ...heh, I can't even conceive the orwellian evil it could be put to use for. if it passes, we'll be told it's for our benefit and if we're not terrorist pirates we have nothing to worry about.

There should be huge protests against this 'solution', and not just because you want to download free mp3s (but if that's all that motivates you, roll with it)

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by BOB Cooper » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:33 pm

b0unce wrote:
There should be huge protests against this 'solution',
problem is that we have so much to protest against these day, here in France. this law won't make a buzz.

and you're right, it is just a first step against privacy rights. they have a lot more in mind for sure.

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by mock » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:28 pm

Thanks to the somewhat cynical opposition, the law has been rejected. This is good news.

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by b0unce » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:40 pm

mock wrote:Thanks to the somewhat cynical opposition, the law has been rejected. This is good news.
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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by XVampireX » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:42 pm

There was an article a while ago about piracy on the internet. It said that people/companies who create something shouldn't really care for the piracy, because people who download instead of buy are not their market anyway, so there are not really any lost profits.

But this thought is flawed, I for example think "Try before you buy" kind of thought the best for people. You won't go to a music store to buy something you don't know before listening to it, or hearing about it, right? Another thing for example is that people who don't really buy anything and just download, eventually they will figure what they really want and they would most likely buy it. So in a way, piracy is not so dangerous and anti-profitable after all I think.

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by BOB Cooper » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:53 pm

Rave wrote:
BOB Cooper wrote:
b0unce wrote:
There should be huge protests against this 'solution',
problem is that we have so much to protest against these day, here in France. this law won't make a buzz.

and you're right, it is just a first step against privacy rights. they have a lot more in mind for sure.
I live in France too. This didn't even break the news my way. The French have bigger things to moan about and boy can they moan :lol:
sure they/we do :wink: I usually don't like to moan. people do that all the time, it's so boring to me. but these days I feel it is justified. Where I work (university), real problems are coming.

but hey, good surprising news today

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by Green Lemon » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:07 am

Rave wrote:
BOB Cooper wrote:
b0unce wrote:
There should be huge protests against this 'solution',
problem is that we have so much to protest against these day, here in France. this law won't make a buzz.

and you're right, it is just a first step against privacy rights. they have a lot more in mind for sure.
I live in France too. This didn't even break the news my way. The French have bigger things to moan about and boy can they moan :lol:

yes, boy can they :)

I didn't here a lot about it in Paris either; I think people view it as something doomed to failure anyway...
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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by amigo » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:15 am

They are looking to introduce this here in Ireland too. I'm curious to know how exactly they are going to police it.

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by peeddrroo » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:56 am

mock wrote:Thanks to the somewhat cynical opposition, the law has been rejected. This is good news.
what i like about french opposition, is that they voted against this law because "it was not going far enough".
so they prefer to have a status quo and let people donwload stuff for free for the sake of being "the opposition".
i'm sure if the law proposed had been harder, they would have voted against it anyway...


i personnally think this is not good news. this law was maybe not the best, but at least it was a start.

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Re: France passes the "three strikes" law against i-pirates

Post by Green Lemon » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:25 am

A start at what? What could it possibly accomplish other than crucifying a few individuals for show? Do you really think they have the resources to devote to prosecuting the hundreds of thousands of people who use P2P networks? Do you really think that's the best use of those resources? Do you really think that the current system of IP distribution is defensible, and fair in its own right? Because that's all laws like this do, is seek to protect the status quo. We all wanna get paid for our music. I buy my music. But this shit is about keeping fat cats fat, nothing more- don't be fooled. You and me are still gonna be skinny.
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