ot - G20 London, man attacked by police, dies moments later

[brightonalex]

Remember the battle of the beanfield!

[Emissary]

Good thing the Medics were there to prevent any other ehrm.. Wtf is he doing?

So much for do no harm. I guess that doesn't apply to medics, nice to know. This country is a joke. The poor paying the rich to live, the intelligent beating down on the stupid, the young getting at the old. All signs that our current social structure is in rapid decline and will continue to do so until some kind of paradigm shift. Its beyond me why anyone would want this society to continue. The only decent thing i can see is free health service and even that is diabolical and probably kills as many as it saves through malpractice, low hygiene and lack of funds.

People are such loving kind creatures at heart, but we are continually manipulated and corralled into a frenzy like feeding fish. I hope no one on these boards is under any illusion that anything is going to get better from now on, Civilisation is in rapid decline , i hope its a fast collapse so we can begin to start building something better. A slow collapse may mean the end of us all in these truly global times. We have to remember that we the people and the knowledge we have accrued ARE civilisation, not the useless infrastructures, isms and ipods that float around us like scum on a pristine lake

Are you sure it's not the stupid beating down on the intelligent?

I see what your saying, but i was meaning a more metaphorical beating down from the banksters and politicians tricking the hard working tradesmen and office workers into submission. Society is utterly backwards. The people who actually create and build and service society (builders, nurses, artists etc) are at the bottom of the pyramid, where as the people who's only talent is to create rules and manipulate are at the top.

Their "intelligence" on how the world really works (which has been built up over thousands of years) is used to keep themselves at the top. I went to private school but i had many friends in state schools, and i could see the total difference in the way things were taught and how little the regular state school kids were taught with regards to how to manipulate.

If there was a social political awakening with to regards to how much power the people have at the bottom of the pyramid and it was somehow turned upside down, the real people of the world would crush the manipulators with hardly any effort. The problem is getting people to see the power they have and the unfairness in how they are treated. They are fed a continuos drip of mucus to keep their minds off real issues, the romans called it bread and circuses, we call it Tv and most other MSM.

It would require no violence or even protests. If every member of real society (hard working people) decided that they weren't going into work for a week, the whole system would crash on an epic scale and people would see the real power they hold . Violence begets violence, and any violent revolution is merely a changing of the guard as opposed to a real paradigm shift.

[brightonalex]

Builders at the bottom of the pyramid!!! You're having a laugh.

"Yes mate I can do that, but it'll cost you - and I can't do it til next year 'cos I'm on holiday from August to the following June".

[LoopStationZebra]

You guys call THAT Police Brutality?

I gotta move to the UK.

Come spend about 5min in L.A. That low-level, push 'em to the ground bullshit goes on every hour. Fuck me.

We got Peace Occifers tazzing CHILDREN here FFS.

[dazzer]

You guys call THAT Police Brutality?

I gotta move to the UK.

Come spend about 5min in L.A. That low-level, push 'em to the ground bullshit goes on every hour. Fuck me.

We got Peace Occifers tazzing CHILDREN here FFS.

I think the point here is that the guy died. You know, dead.

[Low Frequency Obstinator]

I've a mate that works for the BBC in Bristol, just passed some new info on this.....does it smell of a police cover-up? Who knows...?

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The guy didn't work on a newspaper stand - he was selling the big issue (magazine sold by homeless people in the UK) on the street.

He had been taunting a group of officers by 'taking his time' to move in the direction he was asked.

He apparently wandered just inches in front of them for about 10-15 mins hampering their attempt to control the thousands of protestors they had to deal with. On some occasions he stopped completely making the police officers attempt to walk forwards impossible.

He was also a member of the 'Milwall Head Hunters' UK football hooligan firm/organization with a history of violence and aggravated assaults to his name.

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The above not my words btw, just what I’ve heard from a source in the media. Smells a lot like a police cover-up/ miss-direction to me.

I think Emissary’s plan for us all to have a week of much more appealing than even passive aggression.

[noisetonepause]

He had been taunting a group of officers by 'taking his time' to move in the direction he was asked.

GUT IM

[noisetonepause]

Send him to the salt mines!

Don't you know there's a war on?

[brightonalex]

He was blatantly taunting them.

[LoopStationZebra]

You guys call THAT Police Brutality?

I gotta move to the UK.

Come spend about 5min in L.A. That low-level, push 'em to the ground bullshit goes on every hour. Fuck me.

We got Peace Occifers tazzing CHILDREN here FFS.

I think the point here is that the guy died. You know, dead.

No. The point is that my Police Brutality is better than your Police Brutality.

Sorry, it's 'orrible and all that one dude died, but honestly: That's practically a daily occurance in most major US cities. Welcome to the modern police state. Glad you could join us. Take off your shoes and stay awhile.

[Machinesworking]

You guys call THAT Police Brutality?

I gotta move to the UK.

Come spend about 5min in L.A. That low-level, push 'em to the ground bullshit goes on every hour. Fuck me.

We got Peace Occifers tazzing CHILDREN here FFS.

I think the point here is that the guy died. You know, dead.

No. The point is that my Police Brutality is better than your Police Brutality.

Sorry, it's 'orrible and all that one dude died, but honestly: That's practically a daily occurance in most major US cities. Welcome to the modern police state. Glad you could join us. Take off your shoes and stay awhile.

Not the same. Cops here are careful in protest situations, and probably even more brutal in back alleys etc. Also LA has the worst cops historically in the united states.
Also, don't downplay violence, just because your area is fucked up, doesn't mean the rest of the world should be as compliant as LA is towards it.

[noiserot]

People who have engaged in protests know too well the cycle of rampant police brutality and cover up. It is an unspoken rule that if you get beaten by cops, you will get charged with assault on cops. Of course, the mainstream media will never shine the light on this practice, and when it's too obvious to ignore, they'll say it was "a few bad apples".

Here's a recent example from a protest for my friend Tristan who was shot by Israeli forces:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BTkgadWuqQ
One of my friends had to get nine staples to the head from the police beatings at this protest and everyone that was beaten and arrested got charged with assault on cops.

[LoopStationZebra]

Not the same. Cops here are careful in protest situations, and probably even more brutal in back alleys etc. Also LA has the worst cops historically in the united states.
Also, don't downplay violence, just because your area is fucked up, doesn't mean the rest of the world should be as compliant as LA is towards it.

Compliant? Funny. A whole generation (or 2. or 3.) of black men would disagree. *shrug*

[trevorc]

the guy was hit on the leg from behind with a truncheon. he was then pushed hard from behind when he had his hands in his pockets and fell pretty hard. five minutes after the video recording the event he collapsed, and died shortly afterwards. cause of death was a heart attack. it's also alleged that he had been attacked by police five minutes before the video was taken, time-stamped photos have been presented to the official investigation committee showing this.

there's another video on the guardian site which shows police pushing people away who were trying to help him after he had collapsed - one of those people was on the phone to the emergency services but the police refused to talk to the medic on the line, instead they formed a 'defensive' ring around the guy and let him die.

other reports say that the police were pelted with missiles whilst they were trying to help him. i've not seen any evidence of that so far - any link would be interesting if only to show that some small part of the police pr effort so far hasn't been just a pack of self serving lies. one protester on film tells the crowd to get back because there's a guy hurt, and you can hear someone shouting for people not to throw anything. it's a fuck of a long way from the intitial police statements that the protesters were preventing the emergency services from doing their jobs.

Tomlinson was reportedly an alcoholic, which may explain his unresponsiveness and confused state in the first video even if he hadn't already been attacked by police - I myself think (and this has not been mentioned in the reporting to my knowledge) that if he collapsed five minutes after the video was shot he would already have been experiencing the effects of heart failure at the time of the video - heart attacks are rarely instantaneous and are often preceded by many minutes and even hours of discomfort, pain and disorientation. i've witnessed that myself.

i'm fucking disgusted by all this - the police have a hard job in these situations for sure but what are they employed and trained for? not this - not in london or LA. frankly if a mate of mine was chucking a barricade at a line of police i'd say he deserved to get whacked, but there's no evidence whatsoever that tomlinson deserved this kind of end to his life.

[LoopStationZebra]

I know I'm coming across as Dickish on this issue, and it does really suck that a guy died, but honestly. Sorry, but there's been plenty of protests in this country over the last 10 years (and longer, of course) in which the police have beat the ever loving shit out of people. In broad daylight. Not in back alleys. Cops are more careful here? Hardly.

2005. De Anza College in Cupertino. Several Iraq War protesters receive a good ole' fashion Old School beat-down. I can list a couple dozen more examples.

Maybe I just have Outrage Fatigue. My county has been killing innocent civilians wholesale in Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly a decade. The new El Presidente' has done nothing so far to stop this, and there's no end in sight. I know I'm supposed to get outraged because a handful of cops in London got out of control and a guy died, but I'm just too fucking stunned at the hundred+ more people that will die next week because our entire GOVERNMENT is out of control.