Important Wishlist Item 4 Webpage

statlerandwaldorf · Post by **statlerandwaldorf** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:12 am

How about a simple page that lets us know what Ableton is working on for the next revision and an expected delivery date.

For example, how long do we have to use ridiculous work arounds because Live cannot automatically deal with VST latency like other DAWs. I have to search through however many threads to find out you're apparently working on it, but that doesn't really help me. What else are you working on for it, are they things that I think - cool, that will be awesome or that stop people like me moaning about important issues on the forums?

This is the only thing stopping me ditching my other DAWs completely and working solely with Live.

Let us know what you're doing guys, we love your product and can't waiyt till these little glitches are removed.

dirtystudios · Post by **dirtystudios** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:43 am

i think the reason they don't is because they might not be able to deliver everything they promise. if they list a feature, and find out late in the game that they won't be able to implement it in the next release for some reason, then they'll have a bunch of angry people pissed about the lack of this promised feature.

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sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:05 pm

Dude ... just take a chill pill... It took Cubase 10 years to implement that (from my knowledge it only came in SX2) and Logic only clued onto it not too long ago and hell pro tools i think only recently added PDC throughout the whole chain... Live is only now started to surface as a product that caters to many peoples production needs and these things do take time.

The other thing about Live and PDC is that with PDC the software has to know whats goin on ahead of time so it can then push everything into alignment, with live one can not easily expect the program to figure out what clips and effects you are using before you actually use them...

I'm sure that PDC could be implemented for the arrange mode of live, but for clip view, almost impossible unless you always work with a 2bar quantize buffer...

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:00 pm

Could be my completely lacking sense of time, but this is just such a non-issue to me, personally... whne do you notice these delays? Am I just not using enough plugins or what?

-Paws

statlerandwaldorf · Post by **statlerandwaldorf** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:59 am

Try putting a vst effect like yamaha pitch correct, pitch shift or a waves plugin. Something with serious processing power.

I get 90 ms which sux. Hard.

BTW, live is popular because it is quick to respond to its market. Can't compare to cubase because it was started in the days of ataris and 286's. We're talking serious processor power here and with changes that aren't exactly pioneering DAW concepts. Its all been done before.

(Still love live though)

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:28 am

Live under the hood is not a DAW and what it does has not been done before. Hence why it's titled 'groundbreaking' etc...

statlerandwaldorf · Post by **statlerandwaldorf** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:13 am

Everyone is missing the point. I was just suggesting an updated page, non committal even - i.e. these MIGHT be included in the next release etc. and when the next release MIGHT come out.

But seeing as it was bought up...

What exactly is unDAWlike about live?

It is a DAW. Maybe it didn't used to be but as soon as people use it as their main sequencing or only sequencing tool, and replace their DAW with it - It is a DAW.

It is marketed as a DAW, amongst other things...

Don't sell it short by suggesting it isn't a DAW. Yes its revolutionary, groundbreaking and awesome etc. but...

Its a revolutionary, groundbreaking and awesome DAW

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:30 am

statlerandwaldorf wrote:Everyone is missing the point. I was just suggesting an updated page, non committal even - i.e. these MIGHT be included in the next release etc. and when the next release MIGHT come out.

"MIGHT" becomes "IS" in the minds of way too many people, who, at the next release, moan "But you promised! You suck, I'm going back to Cubase!"

Komplex · Post by **Komplex** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:59 am

mcconaghy wrote:
statlerandwaldorf wrote:Everyone is missing the point. I was just suggesting an updated page, non committal even - i.e. these MIGHT be included in the next release etc. and when the next release MIGHT come out.
"MIGHT" becomes "IS" in the minds of way too many people, who, at the next release, moan "But you promised! You suck, I'm going back to Cubase!"

I agree. Don't be a spoiled brat and make do with what you have right now. If Live isn't satisfying your needs you can always buy a "proper" DAW which has the features you want already...

statlerandwaldorf · Post by **statlerandwaldorf** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:14 am

I agree. Don't be a spoiled brat and make do with what you have right now. If Live isn't satisfying your needs you can always buy a "proper" DAW which has the features you want already...

I came from those DAWs of which you speak and have been a legitimate live owner and user since version 1 - noticing all the while how it has slowly incoporated the elements of those DAWS into its own funcionality.

This is a feature request. If you don't like the idea, simply say so and provide supporting info as to why. I do notice the extent of your contribution has been to agree with someone elses comment and denigrate another user.

As to the point you have agreed to, sounds like what a user who doesn't actually own a legitimate copy of either Cubase or Live may say.

You will not hear someone who paid $500US for software say they are abandoning it because a feature was not delivered. Thus I doubt Ableton give a rats arse what this user thinks or does.

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:58 am

statlerandwaldorf wrote:As to the point you have agreed to, sounds like what a user who doesn't actually own a legitimate copy of either Cubase or Live may say.

Since you're referring to me, I own a legitimate copy of Live, AND a legitimate copy of Logic 7. I pay for all my software.
I was also referring to some posts in the past weeks which were almost verbatim what I had written.

statlerandwaldorf · Post by **statlerandwaldorf** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:52 am

No offence McConaghy.

Didn't anticipate you were speaking for yourself - thought you were referring to a hypothetical user. Peace

BTW this is relevant to some of the items in this thread

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12635